Venezuela and the Chavez Legacy

I mean more like the mentality of getting rid of the other side is "all that it takes" rather than seeking the good of the nation. Remember, we got rid of Chavez back in 2002, but a good chunk of the Venezuelan people didn't accept the new government as justice.

Well I think the people who are leaving the government only seek to save their own asses rather than make a difference. It's not like staying in the country is any use at this point either. He also said things about Aissami but they are ok as long as they stay here.

If only the government didn't control every single damn thing, I think the opposition has a good chance of winning a simple majority in the AN which will be useful, but it will be difficult for them to have 2/3 of it.

edited 22nd Apr '15 3:44:10 PM by HibikiOni

"Guarimberos burn shit because they're desperate and hotheaded, and mostly youngsters."

So? they coordinate their moves and take they time to pull all this so there is not excuse for what they did, they threat people several times and one of them almost throw a rock to my father went he tried to move

"not to mention that Leopoldo, María Corina, etc. didn't support the former anyways"

Yebecausethey know very well about protest becoming violent(it was only a matter of time after all) so they kept their mouth shout about it

"now I see it did hurt the government more than it hurt us" yes and no, people are afraid of going again since thing turn out very ugly and people dosent want the posibility of a civil war if thing get reaaaaally ugly.

Also the oposition taking risk is good thing but its pretty pointless considering their tendency of bickering about everything, time will tell

I don't believe there's an excuse for rioting, but it still doesn't change the fact that it's coordinated by small, descentralized groups dettached from the rest of the opposition, which is strictly against it.

If you want another anecdote, one of my friends had three tyres burst by road spikes nearby a hospital, and could've easily crashed.

They didn't kept their mouths shut about it, they (and Capriles in 2013) preached non-violence from the get-go, and worked towards making the movement happen peacefully.

And since there's always the risk of protests you promote turning into riots, the alternative is to renounce your right to protest.

Anyhow, all this is acting like the government isn't even there. Ultimately they're the largest culprit in riling protesters by gunning them down (compare 12F during the morning and afternoon).

edited 23rd Apr '15 4:10:25 AM by Stormtroper

Trying to talk with the government is like trying to talk a well armed thug who's made his mind to cripple you out of keeping beating you up. It just isn't going to happen and we gotta stop being so PC about it.

Well, Leopoldo and the others clearly said there were going to be consequences. If we choose to resist on the streets it won't be free.

As for people not wanting to go out again, say that to all those who went to the streets after Roa was killed.

then break property until they surrender...because that make sense

yeah....too bad that usally is other who pay that price, and more important, we still dont learn of what to do after taking the goverment, since we still have that mentality of "a coñazos y patadas, la patria se salva" I feel we are not going to far

Leopoldo and Ledezma are in jail, aren't they? Let alone those who gave their lives for the country.

And for what comes next, any new government that has to answer to other public powers, without the military politicized in its favour, etc. would already be miles better than what we have now. Hell, Maduro wouldn't be that terrible if it weren't for that.

Edit: Speak of the devil. Ledezma is being put under house arrest due to health reasons.

edited 25th Apr '15 4:12:17 AM by Stormtroper

The BBC has an article on something you know about — queuing.

Has the government had a stab at coming up with any proof that Europe, the US, big business and smugglers are behind the country's economic crisis? I'd a thunk that with such widespread problems it wouldn'tbe very hard - it any proof existed.

Also given the success of the woman who threw a mango bearing a petition at Maduro, is that going to lead to a whole variety of wacky items being lofted at him by people on the brink of staration and deprivation?

Una infinidad de vainas, basura e insultos es lo que le van a lanzar después de la coñiza que le van a dar cuando caiga este regimen de ñoña. o_o

I heard he was going to be operated soon, I hope he gets better.

edited 26th Apr '15 11:39:02 AM by HibikiOni

...did someone really throw a mango at Maduro?

...did it hit him? Did it hurt? I hope it did.

I heard she intended it as a more aerodynamic way to get a petition to him, since she wrote her name and address on it.

I'm the only one who thinks that the mango petition was staged, and the mango actually hiting him was an accident?

"any new government that has to answer to other public powers, without the military politicized in its favour,"

really? consider how much the military like to atach itself into the goverment?...yeah, no happeing anything soon

And about the mango....what can I said? only in venezuela

Of course not.

Well Betancourt pulled it off despite the many magnicide attempts. Also, as bad as the conditions of the country are, many others have been in worse situations and they've recovered.

edited 28th Apr '15 12:17:36 AM by HibikiOni

Come on, the military got like this by years of corruption and selective promotions. At the very worst a new government would have to start anew with the politization.

Speaking of which, I wouldn't be surprised if they lost all support from the military in Tachira and Zulia if the gasoline price increase is high enough.

Since the Bolivar continues to lose value I have no idea how they are going to stabilize this mess. Either way it will be a high political loss for them.

Can't Maduro take any important decision without first going to Cuba to beg for council with the old mummy that is Castro?

Apparently not, I don't think Castro has any useful advice besides turning Venezuela into another Cuba.

Are there many folks in Venezuela that would want the country to adopt the same sort of regime as Cuba?

I remember when I was a kid my father being something of a military communist idiot as well as his friends would have loved for that to happen/saw Castro and Allende as heroes. Heh, I wonder what he would think now.

Edit: Maduro declares that he will raise average salaries by 30%!

If a minor salary is around 6.000BSF x 30%= 1.800BSF so 6.000 + 1800= 7.800BS.F

The average Venezuelan will win less than a dollar x day!

The hyper devaluation is starting to show It's side effects, now I see It's a good thing because it shows unequivocally the failure of this ñoña revolution. The bad side is that it screws everybody without exception, even those that say they don't use their money for dollars.

edited 2nd May '15 5:45:05 AM by HibikiOni

So, Maduro was booed and hissed by his disappointed fans during that announcement, so much he got angry at them and called them out on being 'selfish and individualists'. Heh.

Also, Marea Roja split from the PSUV.

So I've read that universities want to stop activities to demand higher payments...

...again. The thing is... it seems like a total waste of time. And I'm sure that's what the government WANTS, so they can say "our universities never stop... VIVA LA REVOLUCION". Obviously, their universities are crap and you can pretty much buy your degree (I've read an important exam for one of these... I think it was about law. The questions were things such as "What is endogenous economy?" or "how is endogenous economy important to the Revolution?". Yep, future lawyers).

I've only heard of the UCV doing that and I don't know about others, at least mine seems like it will do well for the rest of the year.

About universities with political indoctrination, well, public schools and education overall in Venezuela have always been complete crap. It's nothing new they put kids worshiping caudillos, I don't think we've ever had enough education driven culture and we are more dominated by our region's own more than anything else. (Marabinos behave one way, gochos behave other way and caraqueños the other...) so education is almost irrelevant.

To give an anectode an older cousin of mine has her younger daughters going to one of those Chavez schools despite having enough money to get her to a private one and him being an oppositor. So while It's true we have decayed in that aspect due to having a totalitarian indoctrination, the quality of the education hasn't been any use for quite a while now.

edited 5th May '15 7:42:40 AM by HibikiOni

A venezuelan friend of mine would swear that the education in venezuela is superior enough to trump pretty much every other latin american nation :P

She is kinda crazy.

But to be fair I feel you are underestimating Venezuelan education. Plenty of my professors from college and school came form Cuba or Venezuela. It is pretty typical of regimes: intellectuals flee from it. A great deal of scientists fled from Germany. Viktor Frankl, Albert Einstein, etc etc.