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Major trope drift: The Jimmy Hart Version get usage counts

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The description of The Jimmy Hart Version says, to effect, "creators used a similar piece of music because they couldn't/didn't want to pay royalties for a song". But most of the examples themselves are just "Song A sounds like Song B".

It is entirely possible that a composer mimicked a song without realizing it.

I hate to pull a Wikipedia here and ask for cites, but I think we might want to clean up The Jimmy Hart Version the same way people want to clean up Mondegreen.
 2 Xtifr, Tue, 9th Aug '11 8:19:26 AM Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
World's Toughest Milkman
Sounds like Bland-Name Product or Captain Ersatz, but for music. The Same but More Specific. The music section is a hellhole, full of the-same-but-for-music tropes, natter-filled YMMV tropes (Epic Riff anyone?) and nonsense. It's like what the anime ghetto would be like if anime fans weren't so extremely obsessive and willing to (try to) work with others.

edited 9th Aug '11 8:19:46 AM by Xtifr

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 3 Meta Four, Tue, 9th Aug '11 1:57:26 PM from the house of bread and battle
AXTE INCAL AXTUCE MUN
More like, Poor Man's Substitute, but for music.
 4 savage, Tue, 9th Aug '11 6:30:41 PM from an underground bunker
It's actually a little of column A and a little of column B.

There are certain songs that are so well known/iconic that it seems incredibly unlikely that a person composing in the same genre would -not- know the original— like how Nazareth's "Hair of the Dog" sounds quite similar to "Day Tripper". There are, however, only a limited number of audible tones, chords and melodies that can be formed out of them (without sounding like an atonal mess) and if you limit yourself entirely to the Western 12-pitch scale, you're eventually going to have SOMETHING that sounds at least PARTIALLY similar to someone else's work.
 5 Spark 9, Tue, 9th Aug '11 7:07:52 PM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
...and why exactly is a music trope named after a professional wrestler? At least, I've never heard of him, but that's what Wikipedia says.
Special trousers. Very heroic.
According to the trope page, he was the WCW's music director for a spell.

edited 9th Aug '11 8:14:38 PM by BioTube

 
Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
Now I want a name change. (Unless it's a pre-existing term.)

And the bad examples should be cut.
It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
 8 Spark 9, Wed, 10th Aug '11 7:01:12 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up] It gets only 6000 google hits, so it's not a widely-used existing term.

The most well-known example is probably the one in the page quote, which is from Vanilla Ice, so arguably Vanilla Ice Version would be a better name than Jimmy Hart Version.
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[up][up]Except the misuse isn't related to the name, just a classic case of Square Peg Round Trope.
 
Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
[up]I know, I just really dislike the name. grin
It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
 11 0dd 1, Thu, 11th Aug '11 8:54:46 PM from Nowhere Land
Just awesome like that
Suspiciously Similar Song sounds snappy.
Insert witty and clever quip here.

My page, as the database hates my handle.

My music.
Welcome, traveller, welcome to Omsk
[up]I like that one.
It does not matter who I am. What matters is, who will you become? - motto of Omsk Bird
 13 Spark 9, Fri, 12th Aug '11 4:14:12 AM from Castle Wulfenbach Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
Gentleman Troper!
[up][up] +1 to that!
Special trousers. Very heroic.
 14 Firebert, Fri, 12th Aug '11 10:45:24 AM from Somewhere in Illinois
That One Guy
[up][up][up]It does indeed sound good!
 15 shimaspawn, Fri, 12th Aug '11 10:46:28 AM from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
x4 I like it.
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 16 peccantis, Sat, 13th Aug '11 4:19:21 AM Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
the flies will find you
Fifthing.
before the darkness arrives
That name sounds too much like it will attract YMMV. On the other hand, the example section has already been decaying that way.

 18 0dd 1, Sat, 13th Aug '11 4:07:12 PM from Nowhere Land
Just awesome like that
Well it WAS just off the top of my head.
Insert witty and clever quip here.

My page, as the database hates my handle.

My music.
Mind-Altering Substance
Suspiciously Similar Song sounds a bit too broad, though. As far as I can tell, this trope isn't "Song A sounds like Song B", but "Song A sounds like Song B because they intended it to".

(So Robo's theme from Chrono Trigger sounding like a Rickroll is not an example, but an amazing coincidence.)
 20 Artemis Strong, Fri, 19th Aug '11 4:30:57 PM from The Mended Drum
Wizard/Father of Tom
[up]Hence "Suspiciously". I seventh it, even if it is a dirty, dirty snowclone.
Mind-Altering Substance
Also, should we hold examples to ones where the creator admitted to doing this and/or got sued over it? Because if we did "Song A sounds like Song B" without caveats we'd be here all day.

edited 19th Aug '11 5:30:33 PM by dotchan

 22 0dd 1, Fri, 19th Aug '11 6:53:53 PM from Nowhere Land
Just awesome like that
Perhaps admitted examples and ones that are noted in the media (e.g.: a professional review of something notes that X song/part of the score sounds like Y).
Insert witty and clever quip here.

My page, as the database hates my handle.

My music.
Mind-Altering Substance
I'm not very well versed in modern music, so any attempt to clean up on my part will rely on Google. Anyone else willing to pitch in?
 24 bwburke 94, Fri, 26th Aug '11 11:28:55 AM from Massachusetts Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
PULL TO OPEN
To be clear, this is also limited to songs made by different people. A good example of what is NOT a Jimmy Hart Version is the World 9 map theme from New Super Mario Bros. Wii, as the song it copied (Rainbow Road from Mario Kart 64) is also from a Mario game.
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 25 32 Footsteps, Fri, 26th Aug '11 11:35:29 AM from Just north of Arkham Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
Think of the mooks!
Are there any admitted examples? Lawsuits happen from that kind of thing, after all.

[up]I think that's an example of a Recurring Riff, not this trope.
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