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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

metaphysician Since: Oct, 2010
#2201: Oct 20th 2012 at 7:30:56 PM

Honestly, none of the -Buster armors have actually *worked* for that task very well. The Hulkbuster armors in particular have a terrible track record. Probably because they are Tony trying to beat Hulk at his strengths.

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AtomJames I need a drink Since: Apr, 2010
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#2202: Oct 20th 2012 at 8:10:42 PM

Yeah, one of the elements which seperate Movie Tony from Comic Tony, from my mind at least is how they go about in combat. Comic Tony will blast stuff, Movie Tony will think outside the box e.g. the icing problem, his tribute to Jonah etc.

Theres sex and death and human grime in monochrome for one thin dime and at least the trains all run on time but they dont go anywhere.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#2203: Oct 21st 2012 at 12:33:27 AM

One thing comes to mind about Millar's statement about wanting Fox and Marvel Studios to possibly share continuity. Viper is showing up in the upcoming Wolverine movie as one of the villains. They're almost certainly going to be muzzled from mentioning her ties to H.Y.D.R.A., but I wonder if they couldn't allude to her working for some sort of shadowy terrorist group that's been around since WW 2, or something....

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#2205: Oct 21st 2012 at 9:29:45 AM

... and three days until we get anything substantial.

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#2206: Oct 21st 2012 at 9:58:33 AM

Still lookin bit-o-honey. Oh well. Theycan't all be winners.

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#2207: Oct 21st 2012 at 12:21:16 PM

[up] Personally, I've been comparing it to someone *cough-drunk Tony-cough* using the new armor as a toilet.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#2208: Oct 21st 2012 at 1:03:28 PM

...I like the bit-o-honey armor... It looks cool.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#2209: Oct 21st 2012 at 2:59:22 PM

[up] In just the few seconds of footage it was in, I certainly thought it looked better than the physical model shown at Comic Con. But I tend to find that true of a lot of superhero outfits. I usually think they look better to me in motion and with special effects added.

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#2210: Oct 21st 2012 at 3:02:30 PM

I even liked it from the Comic Con version...

AtomJames I need a drink Since: Apr, 2010
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#2211: Oct 21st 2012 at 3:11:48 PM

Hmmm looks like Pepper is in trouble. The possible birth of Rescue, perhaps?

Theres sex and death and human grime in monochrome for one thin dime and at least the trains all run on time but they dont go anywhere.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#2212: Oct 21st 2012 at 5:03:40 PM

I first thought that the movies would introduce in order Iron Man, War Machine and then Rescue... but Movieverse! Pepper doesn't seem like the kind of person who would really want or need to use one of the armors for anything.

Maybe momentarily, though. As a desperate kind of thing. She does seem like the person who would use one of the armors when she has no other choice, then pledge never to wear it again.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#2213: Oct 22nd 2012 at 10:52:36 AM

Some more photos and an elaboration of the plot.

The Mandarin apparently ends up destroying Stark's armory and home early on in the film. http://www.newsarama.com/film/iron-man-3-details-teaser-revealed.html

metaphysician Since: Oct, 2010
#2214: Oct 22nd 2012 at 11:33:45 AM

[up] Seems likely. I do hope it is *he* ( his minions/organization ) that does this, though, and that they don't use some form of "confiscated by the government" subplot.

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imadinosaur Since: Oct, 2011
#2215: Oct 22nd 2012 at 11:35:44 AM

He's probably infiltrated the government D:

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#2216: Oct 22nd 2012 at 11:38:39 AM

Clearly he's infiltrated the League of Shadows.

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#2217: Oct 22nd 2012 at 12:06:14 PM

Nyeh. I dislike the prospect of the Mandarin not having his high-tech rings...

imadinosaur Since: Oct, 2011
#2218: Oct 22nd 2012 at 12:17:07 PM

Are they doing that?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#2219: Oct 22nd 2012 at 12:20:17 PM

[up] A few of the people who saw the Comic Con trailer said that the has a suit of armor. But I don't think anyone has confirmed he won't have his rings in this one?

BornIn1142 from Estonia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#2220: Oct 22nd 2012 at 12:28:51 PM

But this version of The Mandarin will not follow that same backstory, said Kevin Feige, the president of Marvel Studios. Don’t expect aliens, even though "The Avengers" and "Thor" opened up this unified cinematic world to the presence of extra-terrestrials.

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/10/22/iron-man-3-the-mandarin-first-look/

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#2221: Oct 22nd 2012 at 12:37:21 PM

[up] Hmm. If that's accurate I can sort of see why. Even though we've established aliens exist in The Avengers, it doesn't really fit well with the tone of the threats in the previous movies. Having Tony going from fighting guys with stolen technology to someone with alien weaponry might be a bit of a leap.

BornIn1142 from Estonia Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#2222: Oct 22nd 2012 at 12:39:32 PM

I was thinking just the opposite - that the rings would be necessary to keep enemies from being monotonous.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#2223: Oct 22nd 2012 at 12:58:35 PM

I think you make the foes unique while still sticking to the same basic theme from the first two movies. Mandarin certainly doesn't sound like the same kind of foe as Stane and Whiplash.

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#2224: Oct 22nd 2012 at 1:00:07 PM

First of all. Oh my god I can't wait

And second that's a great teaser poster.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#2225: Oct 22nd 2012 at 2:07:02 PM

[up][up][up][up] That look gives me the impression that they're making him into a kind of Ra's Al Ghul figure, and the summary of the plot and themes kind of hearkens back to the that of The Dark Knight Trilogy... but almost as a total reverse, if that makes any sense:

Like the Nolan Bat films, this series has the hero fighting a terrorist organization as part of their rite of passage / origin, then forget about them in the sequel only for that organization to return as the hero's most climactic and important foe in the third movie. But in a reverse of that, while Batman fought the leader of the organization first then an offshoot years later, Stark fights a small portion of his foe's forces initially and then fights the real leader after a couple of movies of the villains bolstering their forces.

But the main thing that made me notice the comparison/contrast between the two was the theme of "going into the shadows," which Stark is apparently going to do. It seems somewhat parallel, but at the same time contrasting, to the Batman arc in the Nolan movies - Bats starts in the shadows, and spends his life hiding away from the world, both literally and spiritually/mentally, before learning that he has to be a known presence and make himself a part of the world to truly be effective and happy. On the other hand, Stark goes through an opposite arc - being loud, present and active everywhere he can, before apparently learning to step back.

And like TDKR, this movie's probably going to run into some political analysis with it's portrayal of its villain.

I'm sure the rings will be present, even if they're not alien in origin. The organization is called the Ten Rings, after all. Perhaps they're terrestrial technology. I'm more wondering about the whole "Mandarin has a suit of armor" thing. If it's a light armor or something, that's cool, but I hope they're not going with the same exact theme for the final battle as Iron Monger or Whiplash, here. It'd just seem like an Anti-Climax. I hope they keep Mandarin as a manipulator and less as a forceful, direct foe.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

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