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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

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#11351: Apr 17th 2014 at 12:55:18 PM

Noooo. Reeeed. Too much fuckin' black and grey in movie hero costumes.

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#11352: Apr 17th 2014 at 12:56:49 PM

I want to see him wearing something that breathes and doesn't cover up his ears. For decades, writers have been writing him as if he doesn't actually need any of his senses to work for them to work. "Radar-sense" has become a psychic superpower rather than the heightened physical senses it's supposed to be; it works except when the writer says it doesn't, regardless of logic.

You're already handicapped, Murdock. Mitigating your one advantage by making it harder to touch and hear things for no good reason is stupid.

edited 17th Apr '14 12:57:55 PM by TobiasDrake

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#11353: Apr 17th 2014 at 2:32:05 PM

I mostly agree with Tobias on this one, specifically because DD is a hero that requires his senses.

However, I also understand the necessity if a secret identity so he's going to need to majorly thin gloves so that he can still sense stuff but not, you know, leave fingerprints.

They should probably go with really really really dark red and make it similar to Hawkeye's film costume, no matter how much I lament its severe lack of violet.

I want practical costumes, but I want at least a little bit of the distinguishing signatures too. It's probably why my favourite costume has to be Cap's from his first movie.

edited 17th Apr '14 2:40:48 PM by MousaThe14

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#11354: Apr 17th 2014 at 2:35:19 PM

[up] I can support that.

I would love for them to work in Murdock's Paper Thin Secret Identity from the more recent years of the comics, in which the only person who actually buys Murdock's desperate attempts at claiming he isn't Dare Devil is Murdock.

edited 17th Apr '14 2:36:07 PM by TobiasDrake

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#11355: Apr 17th 2014 at 2:58:57 PM

You know, a hero is typically only as good as their villains and after reading he list of what Daredevil had, I can see why he never took off despite being a consummate badass and apparently a critical hit.

I have no direct experience with him whatsoever. He was part of the Ultimate Knights in the Ultimate Spider-man thing I read. In the New Avengers run he was almost recruited since he was at the breakout except he was dealing with being outed at the time and had to hang back. He popped up in the Spider-man cartoon from the 90s I loved. I think I first met him when I saw him in a spider-man playstation game from ages ago. And it saw the movie once on a plane when I was a kid.

Obviously he was in Lego Marvel Superheroes in a Deadpool sponsored sidequest.

But now that I think about it, for a great Marvel all-stars cartoon, they didn't even give him a place in The Avengers: EMH!

He's like the Marvel equivalent of clouds. He's always there but we don't particularly notice and take it for granted but if we take a moment to notice we appreciate how cool they actually are.

Frankly I'm glad Marvel studios is going to be doing something with him, I think he needs the publicity and I want to get to know the guy better.

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#11356: Apr 17th 2014 at 3:02:41 PM

So a couple pages back, someone posted an article about someone arguing that Danny should be Asian. Anyways I read the article and the comments with some mentioning how Danny needs to be white because it's integral to his character while others are arguing that as long he's a foreigner, that's all that matters, etc. Now, I have not read the comics, but why don't they split the difference and make Danny of mixed race? As in half-Asian and half-white? That way, you keep some of the diversity, and some the foreignness too. Or is my suggestion a bad idea?

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#11357: Apr 17th 2014 at 3:06:11 PM

When people suggested he'd be Asian I thought him being mixed race woud be the obvious choice in that direction.

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#11358: Apr 17th 2014 at 3:13:27 PM

It seems to me that either way they go there are some unfortunate implications. Make him white and you get Mighty Whitey. Make him asian and you get the stereotypical asian kung-fu guy (that's Shang-Chi's schtick!).

Which is why he should be Hispanic. Or Native American. Or Samoan. Or something.

lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#11360: Apr 17th 2014 at 3:44:41 PM

I think people think about race too much in this discussion thus defeating the purpose of the discussion.

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sparkykandy Since: Jan, 2001
#11361: Apr 17th 2014 at 4:04:22 PM

[up][up] Which reminds me, I was thinking that if the Guardians movie does well enough, we'll probably be getting a Nova movie out of it. While I'm pretty sure that they'll go with Rich if they do, if by some chance we get Sam I'll be pretty upset if they make Sam white. (Tis okay if he's Hispanic though. Sam's of mixed race in the comics.) Knows that race changing is sometimes a silly thing to get upset about to some people but meh.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#11362: Apr 17th 2014 at 4:08:46 PM

I actually think we're more likely to get Sam than Rich. Marvel is all about synergy these days and given the MASSIVE push they've given to the new Nova (up to including him in TV shows and video games), it'd be really weird if they decided to make a Nova movie starring the guy they killed off years ago and have done everything in their power to bury since then.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#11363: Apr 17th 2014 at 4:13:22 PM

I know nothing about the Nova Corps, so I looked up Sam on Wikipedia, and:

His father is a drunk who often talks about his supposed life as a Nova Centurion, and shirks his duties as janitor at his son's school. Sam's mother is Latina and a homemaker.

I know his father's probably white. That's what bugs me. It's so much the default that it's not even worth mentioning.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
sparkykandy Since: Jan, 2001
#11364: Apr 17th 2014 at 4:18:16 PM

[up][up] But the problem with Sam is that he's still pretty new. Besides his origin story, I'm at a lost on what else they could use. (Unless they start cannibalizing from Rich.) Plus, I'm kind of convinced that Rich will come back sooner or later. Not as soon as the fanboys want or like, but he'll be back.

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#11365: Apr 17th 2014 at 4:28:00 PM

A white father and a latina mother means a latino. But latino doesn't necessary mean brown. Charlie Sheen and his dad are latino and they are seldomly cast as hispanics.

sparkykandy Since: Jan, 2001
#11366: Apr 17th 2014 at 4:33:55 PM

[up] I guess I only care because the Marvel Cinematic Universe has more than enough white guys, so some diversity would be good.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#11367: Apr 17th 2014 at 4:55:04 PM

It would probably do a lot of favours to have Iron Fist being neither white nor east Asian ethnicity, but possibly not enough to warrant changing his ethnicity in the eyes of MARVEL, who will probably put the words out to agents thinking they'll simply hire the best person for the job regardless of ethnicity, and then the agents will look up the guy in the comics, see he's white and knows kung fu, and then only inform their actor if the actor is white or really good at kung fu.

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#11368: Apr 17th 2014 at 5:01:26 PM

So, if Iron Fist were Samoan in this continuity, could he be played by Jason Momoa? >.>

I really like Jason Momoa.

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#11369: Apr 17th 2014 at 5:05:29 PM

Really, I just want someone who actually knows martial arts. I'm sick of Hollywood faking it with quick cuts.

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#11371: Apr 17th 2014 at 5:18:56 PM

I still support Reuben Langdon as Iron Fist, but I know there's no way he'll ever get cast.

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#11372: Apr 17th 2014 at 7:04:55 PM

Iron Fist is white? Shows how much I know about him.

lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#11373: Apr 17th 2014 at 7:07:03 PM

Who is for an adaptation of Shang Chi Master of Kung Fu?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#11374: Apr 17th 2014 at 7:14:55 PM

I figure a Shiang Chi movie would be a decent way to continue the "real Mandarin" bit, which is otherwise a null idea that Marvel doesn't really have the time to actually develop. I figure could substitute into the role as Shiang Chi's father (who is Fu Manchu in the comics - seriously, what?).

After reading a lot of recent Spider-Man comics, especially Spider Island, I am really hoping we get a Shiang Chi movie styled as a superhero martial arts movie with heavy mystical/magical elements.

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lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#11375: Apr 17th 2014 at 7:40:16 PM

That mini series was pretty awesome.


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