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[Edited by Fighteer]
Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM
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People mentioned before about how it would be hard to have Black Widow do her spy thing now that her name and face are world-famous, which got me to thinking the Hellfire Club might make a good solo movie opponent for her: she could join the Club as herself (the name recognition of being an Avenger opening some doors), and the plot becomes about her gaining the trust of the Inner Circle while covertly trying to figure out what they're up to in world affairs. Seems like it would be a good fit for her spy skills and her position on the murkier side of the moral spectrum.
Only catch is, you'd probably want to leave the Club at least somewhat intact at the end of the movie, and hold off on introducing Emma Frost and one or two other characters, so that they're around for other films to use in the future.
EDIT:
I'm similar. I do read comics, but not nearly as many as some other fans, and I've definitely read far more about various characters and storylines from Marvel and DC than I've read firsthand.
edited 14th Jan '18 12:20:44 PM by RavenWilder
Eh the comics do this as well. Black Widow has been an Avenger for far longer there, and yet other comics still have her being really effective at doing spy-stuff.
Basically it's probably just a case of going "she's just that good/experienced" and handwaving it away otherwise.
Is her face that well known? I mean, yes, she was the public face of the Avengers for a while, but honestly, who pays attention to her face when there is the bright red hair to distract them?
Plus, James Bond gets away with constantly spying under the same name, too.
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That's because the entire James Bond canon is moronic misogynistic rape-fetishizing.
My various fanfics.
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It's easier to suspend disbelief about that sort of thing in the comics, because with appearances changing Depending on the Artist, some of whom can draw Only Six Faces, having a character change their hair and put on a different outfit often is all it takes to make them unrecognizable.
In the movies, unless she spends a lot of time in one of those full-face masks from Winter Soldier, Black Widow is always going to look like Scarlett Johannson.
edited 14th Jan '18 1:55:29 PM by RavenWilder
Well, why not using those masks? Would have the advantage that they can take a professional fighter and stick her in some sort of "sneak in and getting discovered so there is a giant fight" scene.
The face masks from Winter Soldier are a reasonable way to do certain infiltration storylines, but physical recognition becomes a moot point when the group you're infiltrating includes a telepath.
There's just no point in attempting to spy on or decieve a telepath.
The Hellfire Club also employs masked guards, so it'd be relatively easy for her to jump one of them and assume their identity.
Those masks are good for a short bit of infiltration, but you wouldn't want Black Widow to spend most of the movie in one, or at least the studio certainly wouldn't. You don't spend millions of dollars getting one of the most popular actors around right now to play a character, then, for most of the character's screen time, have them be played by someone else.
Seems pretty late for a Black Widow movie. I would’ve liked one picking up after The Winter Soldier, regarding her noting how she “blew all my covers; I’ve gotta go figure out a new one.”
Something substantial should come out of how all her past crimes are now leaked to the public.
edited 14th Jan '18 4:30:40 PM by Tuckerscreator
Yeah, which is why I expect a Black Widow film to be more of an ensemble cast with her as the most prominent, in between the properly "solo" franchises like Iron Man/Cap/Thor and fully ensemble stories like GOTG. It's kind of late for the former, and her character isn't suited to that kind of focus anyway, but that doesn't mean it can't be an opportunity to springboard or advance other characters in the process.
Make it the lady team movie everyone wants.
She/her
If I lose my Valkyrie movie for a Black Widow centered movie, I will be deeply pissed.
Valkyrie probably has a lot of immediate appeal out the door relative to her introduction (I don't think people really wanted a Black Widow movie right after IM 2 came out), and possibly an easier high concept to launch theoretical franchises off of, but Black Widow has a more established groundwork for them to develop a film within the universe off of, and this is purely a personal opinion but I think Black Widow appeals a little more to my tastes in genre. I don't really care either way. They can put her in this and make a proper Valkyrie-led spinoff down the line. Doesn't have to be a zero sum game.
edited 14th Jan '18 6:20:35 PM by AlleyOop
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Black Widow would be good for a serialized story but Scarjo be too expensive for tv probably
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It’s Marvel. The MCU track record of casting women leads is currently 1-18; there were no characters who were women of color until... was Civil War the first one?
So I would be 0% surprised if we got a Black Widow focused movie with Valkyrie and other women in the background, and then no Valkyrie movie. I don’t trust Marvel.
I probably wouldn't have enough interest to see a Black Widow film at this point.
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There was Dr Cho from Age of Ultron
I'm not sure that qualifies actually
edited 14th Jan '18 6:28:18 PM by Bocaj
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The introduced Dr. Cho, and then we didn't get Amadeus, which still makes me grumble.
I'm still hoping they're saving him for a Young Avengers concept. An actual movie, hopefully.
edited 14th Jan '18 6:33:15 PM by KnownUnknown
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
Someone made the joke that Black Panther single handedly raised the number of women of color in the MCU by like 400 percent.
400% or 500% is about right. I think Dr. Cho is only women of color who is an actual character (rather than an extra or anything) in a Marvel movie before Civil War.
edited 14th Jan '18 6:38:07 PM by KnownUnknown
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
She/her
...yep. More than that, if you count speaking members of the Dora Milaje.
So Age of Ultron had first woman of color (Dr. Cho; Asian).
Civil War had the first black women (the dead student volunteer’s mom and the badass Dora Milaje member played by Florence Kasumba).
...are we still at 0 Latina women?!?
edited 14th Jan '18 6:38:15 PM by wisewillow
There's Gamora, but GOTG does the sci-fi standby of casting people of color as aliens and monsters, so as far as I'm concerned she doesn't count.
I'd love a White Tiger movie. My hopes aren't high for ever seeing Arana, but I'd love to see her too.
edited 14th Jan '18 6:39:09 PM by KnownUnknown
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
So something along the line of the Club in Agent Carter season 2?