Dream Act Put into Place by Govenor Brown

I just heard that Govenor Brown has enacted the Dream Act into place today. What is your reaction and opinion about it? Personally I think it's bull.

..explanation as to what it is would be nice?

Typically a link to a relevant article is needed, Jazz.

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry

The Act allows children of illegals get free education benefits.A lot of people are unhappy about this.The state of California is already broke enough and this will just make things worse.

I see. Well then I certainly support it. No child should be missing out on an education, regardless of their citizenship status.

"Had Mother Nature been a real parent, she would have been in jail for child abuse and murder." -Nick Bostrom

What is your basis for the latter?

edited 26th Jul '11 11:11:15 AM by HiddenFacedMatt

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"AB 130 allows undocumented students attending California state universities to apply for financial aid funded by the private sector."

So that part shouldn't impact the state budget. Can't think of any reason why you'd want to oppose this unless you're in the 'kick out all the illegals' camp to begin with, and therefore opposed to giving illegal immigrants anything ever.

"The second part of the bill, AB 131, is still in the Senate. This part would allow undocumented students to apply for state financial aid. Brown has hinted, according to the LA Times, that he will likely back this more controversial bill if it comes across his desk."

This is the part that impacts the state budget. While I know that it's going to piss people off to increase spending in any way whatsoever in the current situation, something has to be done about education other than just plain cutting it and making the American populace even more uneducated than they already are, so I'm warily in support. Nonetheless, it should be followed up with a serious attempt to address revenue versus expenditure to make a good impression of fiscal responsibility.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.

Free? No, it allows them to apply for private educational benefits on the same terms as anybody else.

This is a better alternative than keeping them locked down with no way out.

That option has a price too, with increased crime and other consequences.

edited 26th Jul '11 9:59:08 AM by blueharp

More education for people is a good thing, even if they are not legal immigrants. The knowledge they recieve can be used to help their family make a better life for themselves, and nearly all educated workers give back to society in the form of increased productivity.

And illegal immigrants paid approximately 11 billion in taxes last year.

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry

Because we are all one people.

"Had Mother Nature been a real parent, she would have been in jail for child abuse and murder." -Nick Bostrom

At the very least, it ought to cut down on crime, since people with an education have more options to pursue. Given how college education has become more and more devalued and more and more expensive simultaneously, it's not exactly a free 'top quality education' card.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.

I wish more places were willing to not demonize illegal immigrants.

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I do see the side of this act. There's a right to citizens, and then there's a right to humanity. Education should be latter.

Now using Trivialis handle.

If the alternative is the children of illegal immigrants living here and growing up without an education, then I am all for the Dream Act.

It's kind of like issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants—what, you'd rather they were driving around unlicensed?

INS doesn't have the resources to investigate every case of illegal immigration and deport the culprits. They're gonna be here. They might as well be properly assimilated.

Stuff what I do.

Driving is a privilege, though. People can live without being able to drive. Gray Davis's approval of driving act was quite opposed and I could see why.

Education is mandatory.

Now using Trivialis handle.

Not to mention..arent the children of illegals usually..I dont know...Born here? and therefore citizerns?

...where the hell do you live that you don't need to drive to live? Because it's not any town, city, suburb or hamlet that I've ever lived in, and I've hopped through quite a few.

Seriously, America's public transit is awful to nonexistent, and its... everything... is designed with the assumption that you can drive.

(Edit - I'm not trying to come off as hostile, just incredulous. I literally cannot picture a country that could be more unfriendly to non-drivers than America already is.)

edited 26th Jul '11 10:37:41 AM by Karkadinn

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.

That's true, but it's not impossible, depending on where you live. Transit systems push the idea that in congested cities, their service can be quite helpful.

Now using Trivialis handle.

I can live without driving, and it's a good thing too because my car is broken.

Impossible to live without a car? No, but improbable if you want to do anything in a timely fashion or live outside of the city.

On the dream act: If they're children of illegals, wouldn't they get deported with them? And if they're born here aren't they citizens and therefore eligible for this anyway or is there something I'm missing here.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?

My point is not whether driving a car—or getting an education—is necessary to one's life. My point is that illegal immigrants will be bringing their children here and driving cars regardless, therefore in both cases we should allow for it to be done in a relatively harmless way. Educated children and licensed drivers are easier on society than uneducated children and unlicensed drivers.

Stuff what I do.

Children; regardless of their parents circumstances, should be protected.

The term "Great Man" is disturbingly interchangeable with "mass murderer" in history books.

I wasn't responding to your post, but the one above yours.

I should have used quoteblock, but for future reference, my "basis for this" wording tends to be used on assumptions, not opinions. If you see something that doesn't line up with this, it wouldn't hurt to double-check.

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How exactly would something like this work? These people are (legally) criminals, admitting that you're illegal is basically a criminal confession. How could a known criminal legally collect public services without being deported on the spot?

Eric,

I think that education should be a basic human right for everyone. Having said that..

There are several problems with the act. As mentioned above, it is rather schizophrenic to admit you are a criminal and expect to receive public service. But the greater danger is that it makes a mockery of another law by directly catering to criminals. Yes the children should not be held responsible, but they are still criminals nonetheless because they are directly breaking the law by being in a place they are not supposed to be. Also now it directly gives more incentive for illegal immigrant parents since they know their children are guaranteed a public benefit by the law.

Perhaps it would be better instead to turn a blind eye and allow children of illegal immigrants to enroll in schools anyway rather than making it actual law.