Judge Dredd Reboot

URL for that Cracked contest? I couldn't find anything like that in a quickie search of their site.

edited 15th Sep '13 9:24:00 PM by Nohbody

Here you go.

Now for the real kicker. The Judges have the manpower to deal with 6% of reported crimes.

And keep in mind most people likely aren't reporting, say, littering or jaywalking or, hell, even petty theft.

Out of all of those crimes only 564,000 ever get the attention of a Judge. Meaning that is a massive shitload of unanswered crime. A large number of the crimes are violent and rookie judges have 20% mortality rate.

Yeah that is very shitty crime rate.

Id say at best his entry is not really an accurate statement given the other factors.

edited 15th Sep '13 11:05:25 PM by TuefelHundenIV

I'm trying to remember where those numbers came from, the opening narration or Dredd's instructions to Anderson? And the exact wording. Cause context is important and those statistics may be specifically reported incidents and not the expected "real" crimes committed and/or crimes that Judges happen upon while on patrol.

I'm going off memory, haven't seen Dredd recently.

Maybe I should fix that oversight.

I'm not going off the most reliable of resources here (my brain) but I'm sure that Dredd was talking specifically about violent crimes (when talking to Anderson, you can watch the opening narration on youtube and it's not there). Comparing Mega City One's violent crimes per day and the USA's violent crimes per day gets you 17,000 vs 3297. Violent crimes in 2011 stats. Meaning MC 1 is hella violent. But that's off my memory.

EDIT- One of the Cracked commentators says Dredd said "serious crimes". Which I must have heard as 'violent'. I can't be bothered filtering out "serious" from "non-serious" crime in the fbi database as that is probably a little subjective. And to be fair to the guy all crimes are serious in the Dredd universe (at least in the comic. The movie was more realistic, serious crimes such as murder clearly took priority over non-serious crimes like begging, comic Dredd would have handcuffed the dude licketty split). The fact that Dredd says 'serious crimes' implies that "serious crimes" does not mean "all crime".

edited 16th Sep '13 1:33:44 AM by Gvzbgul

You can do time in the Iso Cubes for going UNDER the speed limit. And the Judges take that shit seriously in the comics.

Possession of a goldfish without a license carrys a mandatory imprisonment.

And let's not get started on what they do to folks caught in possession of sugar and coffee.

So this is on Netflix now, and I'd like to watch it but I understand the comics it's based off of are pretty ultraviolent? I'm...not good with movies like that and was wondering if I'd have to give Dredd a pass.

Oddly enough, I can read ultraviolent things (read through Berserk and most of Gantz) but seeing them onscreen tends to make me a bit lightheaded.

Okay, then. Quick rundown of the squickworthy things that happen in the movie, see if you can handle them.

• A guy gets shot in the head with a fireball and we see his facial skin turn to ash before he drops to the floor.
• Quick glimpses of guys getting flayed before they get tossed 200 feet. The bodies spend much of their screentime under covers.
• Slow-motion shots of people getting shot through the cheek and stomach, you see the skin collapse around the bullets and the blood squirt out.

I think that's the only gratuitous gore in the movie, actually. The rest is fairly standard action fair as far as violence is concerned.

There's also a quick shot of the hacker dude with bloodied eye sockets.

Oh yeah! Good catch!

And a character is shown falling face first into pavement in extreme slow motion.

It speeds back up and the camera gives the body some space once it hits the ground though. It's not lingered on.

There actually a few characters who wind up going over the edge. The slow mo one was more artsy and not as graphic in detail.

The Comics and the Movies are definitely different. Dredd the movie is grittier then Dredd the comic which has some zany and crazy stuff going on. Walter the Wobot for example.

I can check what Dredd says I have the Dvd on my shelf. Popped it in my PC.

edited 16th Sep '13 7:44:30 PM by TuefelHundenIV

I dunno. The comics have more sci-fi trappings, but they're largely played straight. There's not a hell of a lot of tonal differences—at least, not in the more recent comics. (I dunno where the shift happens exactly, but yeah, what I've read of the late 70s/early 80s can get pretty nutty.)

Also, man, he hasn't seen the movie yet! Spoiler tag that stuff!

The shift in the comics happens around the mid to late 90's. The earlier Dredd comics were definitely wackier. Some of the more recent ones can be to, depending on who is writing and drawing the particular comic.

For some context even minor crimes get you some serious time in the Dredd verse.

Dredd's statistics lecture to Rookie Anderson.

For Rookies:1 in 5 do not survive their first day.(That's war zone type statistics.)

Crimes: 12 Serious crimes reported every minute. 17,000 per day. (One of the definitions of Serious Crime is Felony crime. So that is 17,000 Felony Crimes Per day. A lot of felony crimes involve violence.)

Of those the Judges can respond to around 6%.(That is about 1,020 of those total crimes gets addressed each day.)

Felony Crimes list also a general definition

edited 16th Sep '13 11:59:49 AM by TuefelHundenIV

Ok the ultimate end point is this. We have no clear definition of what counts as serious crime in Dredd's story line in the Dredd movie just that a significant amount of it is occuring. As it stands now what counts as "serious" crimes varies from nation to nation. In the US it is usually the common list of Felonies.

Then there is the fact that Dredd verse has far more strict and varied laws meaning it is easy to commit a crime. As noted in this thread possessing coffee, sugar, or even an unlicensed gold fish are crimes. So the total actual crime rate is likely much much higher because of the different criminal code.

Now if we take Serious crimes to mean violent crimes, Dredd's verse is still worse off.

386.3 per 100,000 U.S. as of 2011 Violent Crime Per Capita.

788.4 per 100,000 At the time of the Dredd the film Violent Crime Per Capita.

The Modern U.S. also has a much higher Police Coverage then Dredds time and the incidents are far more spread out across the U.S. All of Mega City 1's crime happens in a relatively small, intensly population dense, portion of the Eastern U.S.

I will take the example into discussion for the page.

You know what the Dreddverse needs? ED-209s

Lots and lots of ED-209s.

edited 16th Sep '13 11:59:19 PM by Canid117

Mega-City One has had at least one massive robot rebellion in its history. Probably a lot more than one in fact. Having ED-209s available for another rebellion against the human overlords would be a risk even the maddest Judges in the Council of Five wouldn't risk.

Now that that's dealt with for now...

Personally I'd have loved to see some robots and mutants in the Dredd film. Just a little bit of weird stuff to spice it up. All we really got was the cybernetic eye dude and a psychic. You wouldn't need anything major either, just the occasional character with eyes that are slightly too far apart or a cleaning robot in the background. In a perfect film we'd have Walter the Wobot interupt Dredd during his baddass gearing up.

My biggest issue with the film was how understated it was. i get that they were trying to distance themselves from the Stalone film, but it would have been nice to have Dredd's seriousness contrasted with a little bit of chaos.

edited 17th Sep '13 5:05:06 PM by Gvzbgul

Thanks for the feedback, guys. I'll give it a go later.