Rename to FacelessProtagonist: AFGNCAAP

Let's asussume you do not know what this means or if you don't know, don't read before answering. What does "Characters is AFGNCAAP" mean?

Answer is that we do not see him or give him any charasteristics! So name is not clear, is kinda hard to remember and comes from single game.

I am suggesting changing to more clearer name, but keeping the old name as redirect. How does it sound?

Swap with a redirect. It is a very well known term in some circles and a successful name in terms of inbound links, but the name on the article could be more clear.

Swap with redirect. I can never remember the order of the acronym. It makes sense as a redirect, but the main title could be clearer.

Any idea how to do that? Just normal rename way or?

Normal rename.

Normal rename. Aways normal rename.

PS:In the other side, is the rename really needed? As far I know, this is a pre-existing name, which is a strike again. It also has a a decent number of wicks and inbounds. The high number of inbounds is probably related to it being a pre-existing name in the first place. Are we really in the need of renaming it?

Also, this have a folder for Visual Novels and, it is, in fact, listed in Visual Novels Tropes, due to how common it is there. I wonder, however, it is the same trope. Visual Novel heroes are almost literally faceless. For most of the time you can't seem them and, when you do, the face is frequently covered by bangs of his overly generic hair (probably either black our dark bluish). However, at the same time, their actual character is frequently more flashed out then your average AFGNCAAP. They are frequently the narrator and it is their actions that drive the story. Their personality tend to be kinda bland, but not non-existing. They may be 'faceless', but hardly 'ageless', 'culturally ambiguously' and definitively not 'gender-neutral'.

edited 15th Jul '11 12:47:47 PM by Heatth

I agree with Shimaspawn. I can't write this trope without having to look up how to spell it, and I can't read it without making a double-take "wait, what was that again?" +1 for rename.

For me, there is very few tropes I can write without having to double check or, preferably, copy and past, the correct spelling. "Hard to spell" was never a good argument to me. Also, frankly, I think the name is quite memorable, for its absurd. I never had to double check to know its meaning after reading about it once. It is not like we have another trope that is a long string of random capital letters.

We're not saying a full rename, just a redirect swap for the actual, spelled-out version of the name.

The full name is a bit long though. It'd appear, in full, as: Ageless Faceless Gender Neutral Culturally Ambiguous Adventure Person.

And that title, as a URL, breaks the forum parser. Let's come to a gentleman's agreement not to have main titles be that long.

I'd agree that the Faceless Visual Novel Protagonist is a separate, though related trope.

I'd suggest Featureless Protagonist, since that way, you also include the gender-neutral and ethnicity-neutral aspects of the trope.

And yes, I think keeping the original as a redirect is needed. It's a long-standing term... I just always forget what order each adjective is in.

Keeping the original as redirect is not even a question. This is the standard of every renamed trope. It got 2000 inbounds, we can't just go and break these.

Rename and redirect swap are essentially the same thing. Specially if the redirect was made as a more searchable version of the trope in the first place (redirects shouldn't be free if we can just go and swap them with the main title latter).

Is the name broken? I am not a fan of the title either, but that question should be always the first thing we do before even considering renaming anything. If it is not broken, we don't have to fix it, it is very simple.

Oh, yeah, I like Featureless Protagonist better then Faceless Protagonist. It does include the whole aspect of the trope.

I like Featureless Protagonist better than Faceless.

Agreed.

I like featureless more.

Can I suggest Fill In The Blanks Character?

With the exception of swapping the ptitle to the plaintext version of the ptitle with the same punctuation added. Since ptitles aren't needed anymore.

edited 15th Jul '11 2:39:11 PM by shimaspawn

I find clever, but needless.

Naturally. No ptitle is needed anymore. We just keep them because swapping all of them with redirects is too much work. Specially if there is a discussion page.

Anyway, why are we renaming it again? Are you just keep ignoring me? Why do we think this trope is broken?

edited 15th Jul '11 2:42:58 PM by Heatth

Because to people who did not grow up with zork the name means nothing. At least thats where I fall.

So what? It works regardless. MacGuffin also means nothing, but it is the pre-existing term for the trope.

Because it's unclear and hard to type which makes it hard to find and wik.

Plugged both terms into google. Got hits for things other than zork and tvtropes for MacGuffin.

Even when you do know what the trope is and what it means, it can be difficult to remember just what order each of the letters is supposed to be. I know it starts with A and ends with P, but the rest is alphabet soup to me. That screams "good reason for a rename" to me.

MacGuffin has nothing to do with Zork (if I'm correct, I don't remember the games all that well) - it's AFGNCAAP that Zork invented.