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Considering they're severely weak clones compared to the original, I'm not even bothered anymore. Only Neomyotismon was anywhere near noteworthy, and they were basic Mooks at best now.

I don't know why people are still comparing them to the Adventure versions. Those were a broken upgrade to an already broken boss. The fact they were actual clones and weren't naturally born also meant that the chance of them being hyper powerful was far lesser(don't forget part of why Myotismon was so powerful, besides being a Demon Lord at one point and absorbing tons of data was due to his experience and offscreen training). I mean, it's not like normal human soldiers could take them. They're still a bit more powerful than that, but against a guy who punches out Megas easily? Let's be realistic, he fought way more powerful guys. Yggdrassil, actual real Megas like Saberleomon(not clones). Even the original Blackwargreymon is more powerful, and he barely got beaten too. It was essentially Malomyotismon that did him in, the real one.

Neomyotismon is clearly extremely powerful. More than likely, those clones were no better than an Champion-Class level, even lower than the reborn Beelzemon in Fusion.

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Do you think the Original 8's partners have gotten to the point where they can at least maintain their Champion forms indefinitely, or best-case scenario have it as their default form?

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...you mean the Seven because Gatomon is already a champion.

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....Well honesty no. It easier to hide a 3 foot dinosaur than a four stories one.

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Its been my headcanon that they could, but they chose not to.

edited 14th Dec '14 6:45:04 AM by Cross

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During some of Adventure 02, we do see Greymon and Garurumon sit there looking pretty. So it is possible this could happen more.

Then again, we could see a more regular Warp Evolution(as in one stage skip) for some. Also, I do wonder, assuming Gatomon does take her Ultimate/Mega level, if they're going to go with her Holydramon(from the movie, which is the only animated canon so far we have) or the more updated Ophanimon. Both are ultimately fitting, since her theme is just about holy characters in general. Not necessarily beasts or angels. Patamon is more geared towards Angels specifically. I felt Gatomon's line is a bit more beast-oriented. Ophanimon of course fit way better for the story of Frontier, if not was done solely for that alone.

I do also wonder if more Demon Lords will show up(namely the Seven Great Ones, not just the type in general).

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I'm just thinking, what kind of power escalation can we expect from Adventure tri?

Considering the timeline, the Original 8 would already have access to their Ultimate and Mega forms right off the bat, so there must be something to stop them from laying waste to the villains.

Probably another journey/quest/gather the MacGuffin(s) like in Adventure 1.

Hopefully Leomon won't- fuckit, we all know he's gonna die again...the only question is how.

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Assuming a Leomon shows up, anyway. 02 did not have one.

As for their Perfect/Ultimate forms, I do wonder how they'll pull that off. A new macguffin, a new power combination like 02 did(Jogress/DNA or the power boost)...

For Ultimate/Mega, I have a feeling this might be even easier, since the only reason they were able to do it was a simple power boost. Sure, due to two angels essentially causing a miracle(to fight what's Satan in a sense. Or at least a reference to the idea), but that's still the overall effect. Savers did help show that training alone makes it easier to go to Mega.

Also, it's been a while, but what made it possible for Paildramon to Mega Digivolve again?

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The ball from Azulongmon, I think.

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Probably Genai and/or Azulongmon shenanigans

I remember Fighter in all it's stupidity, coming at the cost of the Older 6's relevance. It was a the that time with Skull Satamon

Lol Imperialdramon. AFAIK it's the only partner Digimon to require the debut of it's new evolution mode against Digimon of the same/lower level than itself

• had to go Mega to deal with two Ultimates (can't remember them)
• had to Mode Change to deal with an (surprisingly tough) Ultimate (Skull Satamon)

Scratch that, I recall Lilymon's debut against Dark Tyrannomon (who was handing Togemon it's ass). It was only years later that I discovered it was a mere Champion level just like vanilla Tyrannomon.

...and I remember that surprisingly competent Snimon and Tuskmon duo (both Champion levels) initially overpowering Garudamon and Were Garurumon (I think) when Phantomon captured Kari during the Myotismon.

Again, it was only years later that I discovered their actual levels.

Shit. My argument just suicided.

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To be fair, levels alone don't actually determine their strength. Those were Elite Mooks and supposed to be ridiculous. There was no advantage Attribute-wise, though. Snimon is Vaccine(Garurumon is either Vaccine or Data, although I don't think it was made obvious in Adventure which one he was), and Tuskmon was Virus.

In the end, it was just simply the fact they were already powerful due to immense offscreen training. Neither Weregarurumon or Garudamon were highly trained. They did win after Zudomon came along. I think the fact that Phantomon, who was next to impossible to defeat earlier, being one-shotted by Angemon was more ridiculous. I mean, yes, Angemon was always a bit of a Game-Breaker in Adventure 01, but Phantomon slaughtered everyone else in comparison. I think it would've made more sense if he severely weakened him and then was taken out by another Ultimate/Perfect's attack. It is justified for him to somewhat hurt Myotismon though. It's been made clearly that Angemon and his forms in Adventure 01 were horrifying powerful against Virus types.

Yep. Oh, it was Azulongmon that let Imperialdramon Mega Digivolve then? Huh. Maybe he'll show up again later to allow the upgrade.

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I really enjoyed Ebonwumon in Tamers. Also, the decent points of Zhuqiaomon. Baihuimon was kinda just there, unfortunately.

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Same with Azulongmon. Although to be fair, he had his time in the previous season.

Baihumon has yet to really be given any limelight among the various series.

Related, remember how Leviamon is a legendary Digimon in Fusion? I wonder if he'll show up as a more heroic Digimon in Adventure 03. We haven't seen seen him actually do anything in any previous season, with only Darkdramon having the same fate, who may show up too. As Xros Wars' actual episode that showed previous protagonists suggests, every season overall takes places. That means that all of them need to show up. With only two left, I think they might finally appear in this one. To be clear, the rest of the Digimemories are of overall heroic Digimon. MarineAngemon, Agumon, Omnimon, Guilmon, Impmon, Gatomon, MagnaAngemon, Garurumon, MetalGarurumon, and Patamon, plus Leviamon and Darkdramon. Well, okay, there is a variation of Darkdramon, but that was a pure villain in Savers, and BioDarkdramon is considered a separate Digimon regardless.

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So basically you're wondering if Leviamon will be the second heroic Demon Lord, after Beelzemon?

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When Daemon first appeared (in cloaked form), was there anyone (besides myself) who was reminded of Phantomon?

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None that I think about it, he is kind of similar. But it does help that he can digivolve from him.

And pretty much. Leviamon can't be a Legendary Digimon without helping. It doesn't make sense. Unless it's from a spin-off taken into account. Like how Ryo showed up in Tamers. His story is apparently take into account, which also means things like Milleniumon is supposedly canon. But I don't think that had Leviamon(did he even exist yet?) as a hero, so it's hardly relevant. Darkdramon as well. The only thing I can think of is that the original Darkdramon that was killed to create the Bio-Hybrid upgrade was heroic. It'd be offscreen, but it actually does solve that issue. Leviamon is still unknown and unmentioned. I kind of wish he showed up in Savers, though, and I don't mean the game.

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Is there anything in the franchise funnier than these scenes?

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What? The only ones of the original eight to have their partners make it all the way to Mega are Tai and Matt. Even still the original eight got severely nerfed in Zero Two and their digimon couldn't digivolve that season so I imagine they'll have to work their way up to Mega again.

Somewhat unrelated, but I just found an interesting post on the diferences in characterization between japenese and english dub: http://fuzzleyan.tumblr.com/post/75744269804/on-the-digimon-characters-and-characterization-in

The original 8 could go to champion whenever they liked in 02, provided the Emperor wasn't jamming them. They usually defaulted not to but all of them were defending territory from the Emperor in Champion form even when their partners weren't even in Digiworld, let alone nearby, and one episode had Ikkakumon showing up to help them without Joe being with them (or in the episode at all)

So, I was thinking, and Tai is Ryu, Yamato is Ken, the rest of the Original Eight are the rest of the SFII cast, and the cast of 02 is like the original cast of SFIII the company only pulls back when they have run out of Original Generation characters and otherwise prefer leaving in the back as sort of a minor old shame, rite?

Personally, I wouldn't think too much of Leviamon's role in Xros Wars. Notably, the only Digimon that weren't heroic in the past series were Digimon that were getting their first debut in the anime in general, such as non-Bio Darkdramon, Examon and Leviamon. So I think what happened was that the staff wanted to use those characters and put them in as Digimemories to do so, not because they were setting up for the next series to use Leviamon and Darkdramon as heroic characters (particularly since Riku Sanjo doesn't seem to be involved at all with Tri).

Speaking of which I really need to get back into Digimon, I'm only about 10 episodes into Frontier. Need to hurry and catch up.

And definitely need to brush up on my Digimon knowledge, I don't even remember half the Digimon you all are talking about, at least not the names.

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