Follow TV Tropes

Following

The General US Politics Thread

Go To

Nov 2023 Mod notice:


There may be other, more specific, threads about some aspects of US politics, but this one tends to act as a hub for all sorts of related news and information, so it's usually one of the busiest OTC threads.

If you're new to OTC, it's worth reading the Introduction to On-Topic Conversations and the On-Topic Conversations debate guidelines before posting here.

Rumor-based, fear-mongering and/or inflammatory statements that damage the quality of the thread will be thumped. Off-topic posts will also be thumped. Repeat offenders may be suspended.

If time spent moderating this thread remains a distraction from moderation of the wiki itself, the thread will need to be locked. We want to avoid that, so please follow the forum rules when posting here.


In line with the general forum rules, 'gravedancing' is prohibited here. If you're celebrating someone's death or hoping that they die, your post will get thumped. This rule applies regardless of what the person you're discussing has said or done.

Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243351: May 23rd 2018 at 7:25:23 PM

Not even just the really rich jackasses. Plenty of America's farmers rely on migrant workers.

The UK is in a similar mess. Their farms also rely pretty heavily on EU migrant workers. With Brexit looming, they are more or less fucked.

edited 23rd May '18 7:25:58 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
RabidTanker God-Mayor of Sim-Kind Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
God-Mayor of Sim-Kind
#243352: May 23rd 2018 at 7:25:37 PM

By "immigration problem" I was talking about the people who were crossing the border illegally.

Answer no master, never the slave Carry your dreams down into the grave Every heart, like every soul, equal to break
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#243353: May 23rd 2018 at 7:26:16 PM

That's still not a problem.

edited 23rd May '18 7:27:11 PM by LSBK

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243354: May 23rd 2018 at 7:26:49 PM

Especially since it's been trending downwards for years.

edited 23rd May '18 7:28:11 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243355: May 23rd 2018 at 7:27:32 PM

Basically, a really small number of people do that.

And the big danger is them getting intercepted by roving vigilante Nazis or dying of thirst.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243356: May 23rd 2018 at 7:28:18 PM

Fearmongering about border-jumpers from Mexico, along with the fearmongering of "MS-13" and other gangs, is just another dogwhistle against Mexican people.

Disgusted, but not surprised
KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Shin Megami Tensei IV
#243357: May 23rd 2018 at 7:34:06 PM

I thought that more of less all economists, even the Right Wingers intellectuals (yeah, they exist) agreed that Immigration is a net positive for the economy.

Immigration is sort of a interesting thing to me, my entire lifestyle is based on it.

edited 23rd May '18 7:34:47 PM by KazuyaProta

Watch me destroying my country
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243358: May 23rd 2018 at 7:34:52 PM

Fearmongering about border-jumpers from Mexico, along with the fearmongering of "MS-13" and other gangs, is just another dogwhistle against Mexican people.

It's not a dog whistle. A dog whistle would be heard without making a sound audible to normal people.

This is just a whistle.

Text, not subtext.

I thought that more of less all economists, even the Right Wingers intellectuals (yeah, they exist) agreed that Immigration is a net positive for the economy.

Immigration is sort of a interesting thing to me, my entire lifestyle is based on it.

John Oliver said blaming foreigners is the one thing both UK and American voters can always agree on.

edited 23rd May '18 7:36:17 PM by CharlesPhipps

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243359: May 23rd 2018 at 7:36:26 PM

A whistle would be them abandoning all pretense and just saying "We don't like brown people."

At this point I'd almost find such honesty refreshing even if it is something utterly repugnant. Almost.

edited 23rd May '18 7:39:18 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243360: May 23rd 2018 at 7:47:47 PM

We're almost there.

Ugh.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#243361: May 23rd 2018 at 7:49:20 PM

I'm assuming Tanker means immigration phenomenon, as in why the people who do jump the border are motivated to?

It's been fun.
MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#243362: May 23rd 2018 at 7:53:41 PM

I'd imagine that the Socratic method might be useful in combating dogwhistles. Peel away the layers of misdirection until the dogwhistlers lays bare their true motives or is moved to silence.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#243363: May 23rd 2018 at 8:02:06 PM

[up]On the other hand, you know what they say about arguing with idiots.

edited 23rd May '18 9:16:11 PM by Rationalinsanity

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
MarqFJA The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer from Deserts of the Middle East (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
#243364: May 23rd 2018 at 8:09:13 PM

Has this been posted yet?

Sinkhole appears on White House lawn

A sinkhole has appeared on the White House's North Lawn — which has naturally spawned jokes on the internet.

The sinkhole, confirmed by groundskeepers, is just outside the office of White House deputy press secretary Hogan Gidley. The sinkhole, which groundskeepers remarked was smaller than they thought it might be, was roped off with cones and caution tape.

But, according to reporters who have observed it, it appears to be growing.

On Twitter, the hole's appearance garnered jokes about the president's "drain the swamp" slogan and that the sinkhole was actually a portal to another dimension.

https://twitter.com/MarkHigbee/status/998972759840473088 https://twitter.com/jurbanchuk/status/998965762764214274

Others joked about how close the hole is to the press briefing room.

https://twitter.com/Random_acct/status/998971983462268928

The White House covered up the hole later in the afternoon.

https://twitter.com/steveholland1/status/999024017469313026

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243365: May 23rd 2018 at 8:19:40 PM

[up] Yeah it was mentioned a while back.

[up][up] If you mud-wrestle with a pig, only the pig will enjoy it.

edited 23rd May '18 8:20:19 PM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
archonspeaks Since: Jun, 2013
#243366: May 23rd 2018 at 8:22:19 PM

[up][up] There's speculation the sinkhole may be related to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center expansion put in back in 2010. It was basically a five-story building sunk into the ground, and the sinkhole is appearing right where it's located.

They should have sent a poet.
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243367: May 23rd 2018 at 8:22:48 PM

Another sign America is great again. :sarcasm:

TAX CUT CONTRIBUTES TO AUTO PLANT CLOSING

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/harley-davidson-workers-stunned-plant-closure-after-tax-cut-n876901

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243368: May 23rd 2018 at 8:25:13 PM

“If my girls want to work there it’s a good place to work,” said Primeaux, adding that the plant closure has not affected his support for President Donald Trump. “I blame the company more than I blame the president.”

Because of course he does. He doesn't want to admit that maybe voting for Trump was a bad idea.

Disgusted, but not surprised
CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243369: May 23rd 2018 at 8:26:13 PM

Trump famously doesn't pay his workers.

He often refuses to over "shoddy work" waits until they sues, drags out court cases, and then settles for pennies on the dollar.

This is not the friend of the working man.

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#243370: May 24th 2018 at 2:10:05 AM

Jared has his security clearances back. White House mentions that he can’t wait to get back to work as Mid East advisor.

CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#243371: May 24th 2018 at 4:13:58 AM

The Saudis called him the Clown Prince of America

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#243372: May 24th 2018 at 5:00:40 AM

Well, more specifically, it was the lobbyists governing US foreign policy.And they're a swell bunch.

On Monday night, the Associated Press published an extensive report detailing the efforts of Elliott Broidy, a top fund-raiser for Donald Trump, and his business partner, Middle East fixer George Nader, to score more than $1 billion from Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates by lobbying the Trump administration to adopt a harsher position on Qatar.

The operation, it seems, was wildly successful. Broidy supplied the relationship with the president, and Nader allegedly had a connection with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan of Abu Dhabi and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia. Qatar, despite its support for the Muslim Brotherhood, has long been a critical U.S. ally in the Gulf region, providing a military base for U.S. Central Command. But Broidy, who dubbed Qatar “the snake,” helped convince Trump otherwise, using scripts prepared for him by Nader.[...]

[...]Naturally, as the A.P. notes, Broidy did not share Nader’s true opinion of Kushner with the president, which was—is?—that he’s a total moron. “You have to hear in private my Brother what Principals”—presumably M.B.S. and M.B.Z.—“think of ‘Clown prince’s’ efforts and his plan!” Nader, who was convicted in 2003 on 10 counts of sexually abusing minors, wrote to Broidy, who had been convicted in 2009 of bribing public officials. “Nobody would even waste cup of coffee on him if it wasn’t for who he is married to.”

Grafite Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Less than three
#243373: May 24th 2018 at 7:12:32 AM

The North Korean-US summit has been cancelled. Trump reports the country was just too hostile lately (likely refering to Bolton) for it to happen. The full letter is here.

My favourite part is that Trump still finds a way to brag about America's "massive and powerful" nuclear capabilities, you know, because that's exactly what the koreans want to hear.

Life is unfair...
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#243374: May 24th 2018 at 7:13:20 AM

Wow. I am so not surprised by this.

I hope the Republic of Korea's president Moon learns something from this.

edited 24th May '18 7:14:18 AM by M84

Disgusted, but not surprised
Eschaton Since: Jul, 2010
#243375: May 24th 2018 at 7:22:02 AM

That letter is a marvelous tragedy of diplomatic-speak attempting to wade through blatant trumpisms.

This whole ordeal is due to both parties being stubborn shits. But hey, they wanted all the credit, now they can take all blame.

"NK: We'll give up nukes when you remove your troops."

"US: no"

"NK: Then we're going to leave. With the nukes."

"US: k bye"

And we're back to square one.

The real question is what President Moon will be doing next.

edited 24th May '18 7:22:51 AM by Eschaton


Total posts: 417,856
Top