Wii U

Mario 2 (both, but moreso USA) and Zelda 2 are good. Mario 2 USA and Zelda 2 are just different, while Lost Levels is just stupidly difficult, even by NES standards. As for bad games, Urban Champion is apparently pretty horrible, but I haven't played it. I have played Ice Climber, and that's pretty bad.

Ignoring old games I don't think there are many that I would call bad. Other M is bad, but it's not exactly because it's a bad game. From what I've heard Sticker Star isn't exactly bad (though not great), just too different from its predecessors. Wii Music doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation, though I know approximately nothing about it.

edited 26th Mar '15 7:07:18 PM by Sterok

Other M was considered very bad in Japan too. There's a common misconception that the game did well there, but in actuality it tanked everywhere and was met with most of the same criticisms.

I haven't heard anything about how well Sticker Star did in Japan, though.

While those two stand out as recent games that were considered butchery of a popular series, there's plenty of others that are considered bad but just fade into obscurity- Yoshi's New Island and Star Fox Command come to mind.

I actually liked Command okay, but it is inferior to the prior Star Fox games (even Adventures, which is the one Star Fox game I haven't beaten yet).

Yoshi's New Island I've heard is more bland and uninspired than really bad. Plus bad music. It doesn't live up to the original, but it's not offensive to the series in general. Star Fox Command though, yeah that's apparently pretty bad. How did that series fall so far? Hopefully Miyamoto can rescue it from the gutter.

Other M tanked pretty bad in Japan, like Metroid usually does. I think it did marginally better than Prime, but not nearly enough to make up for poor western sales and bad word of mouth.

I probably have a different relationship to the post- 64 games as Assault was my first game that wasn't either a: a Mario spinoff, or b: a licensed game.

So I liked Assault a lot. I do think that 64 is one of Nintendo's best games ever, though.

I think most fans will point to the fact that Adventures was forced on Rare being the point when Star Fox started to fall from grace.

Adventures was my first Star Fox game.

From what I understand of Command they used a lot of the concepts from the cancelled Star Fox 2.

I know the all range mode only gameplay mechanic came from 2.

Command is a pretty bad game. The gameplay is average (which is bad for a Nintendo game) but the story is horrid. While Assault isn't my first, it is my favorite.

I think you guys may need to use some perspective here. A Nintendo game that is merely okay or average is bad. That is bellow their standards.

Right, I'm talking about bad games, not just okay or mediocre ones. For example, I consider the Mario Party series consistently mediocre, but they're not bad even with their ups and downs. And for better or worse, Mario Party 10 will probably be one of the few million sellers on the Wii U, so I can't wish it too bad luck. Something like Other M though is broken both in concept and execution, and that is something I will call bad.

Yoshi's New Island really was quite bad. Even ignoring the atrocious art and music directions, the level design is even worse than in DS, and for whatever reason the platforming physics are really awkward. It simply isn't an entertaining game, even ignoring the huge shoes it has to fill.

edited 26th Mar '15 7:46:53 PM by Anomalocaris20

I like legit don't have an interest in playing later Mario Party games for some reason.

The only Nintendo game I've played that I'd classify as bad is Other M and even then I'm mostly saying that because of the story. On a technical level it's not a bad game even if it's unconventional for a Metroid game. Of course I have very specific criteria for a bad game so maybe I'm just really tolerant.

Hm, I never played it, and I never liked Yoshi games, so I'll take your word for it. The best I've heard about it is that it's not broken or divisive, which is an improvement over some other bad games.

Believe me, it's quite broken. Not a glitchfest, but suffice to say literally the only times I died were from the controls not responding right or Yoshi getting bounced around at improbable angles.

Hm, physics are very important for a platformer. Hopefully Wooly World is an improvement.

Iwata Asks: Xenoblade Chronicles 3D. I highly recommend reading it whether you've played Xenoblade or not. It goes into some interesting details about the west vs east, the philosophy of JRPGs, and how a game's reception affects future decisions.

That page is reminding me to get back to playing the Wii version...

I think I'll have some after school hours to play some games that I really should get back to playing.

Having played Other M myself, I'll say that at times, it was really awesome, and also didn't rely on QT Es for the awesome moves Samus could perform. At times, the story also was decent. I do like the attempt at giving Samus a more human personality, and the actionized combat did feel like it could show off her power in taking down enemies. That I found cool.

Unfortunately, for all those moments where I was enjoying myself, I'm constantly brought out of the experience by the sloppy writing and questionable design decisions like the Authorization thing. As a result, I'm left more frustrated than entertained most of the time. In the end, it all just falls on its face.

Shame too. It had a lot of potential.

I agree that the game had potential and that's why I'm not as harsh towards it compared to everyone else. The game simply had bad direction.

Personally, I hate wasted potential more than something that could've never been good. I keep thinking "you wasted this premise/character/superpower!"

The Mario RP Gs aren't as popular in Japan, but Sticker Star didn't have a good reception there either. People got mad at the lack of story, and the fact that you never get to travel around with any partners.

edited 27th Mar '15 7:21:04 AM by Marioguy128

I thought Japan loved RP Gs?

Eh, I guess the JRPG fandom and Mario fandom don't mix much. Plus, not everyone is a JRPG fan there. There are just more fans there.

Didn't Sticker Star outsell the other Paper Marios in Japan? Mostly because it's on a handheld, but still. And in any case, Sticker Star isn't exactly an RPG, which is why a lot of people don't like it. As opposed to Other M, which people don't like for being bad.

It's kind of half and half. Metroid itself has never been a particularly popular franchise in Japan, especially the Prime games, and the Other M was meant to Win Back the Crowd in Japan. Ultimately sold no different in Japan, and worst than the Prime games everywhere else.

As I understand, Japan just has no love for the First-Person Shooter genre, which is why the Prime games have no traction there.

Combine that with Other M tanking, and Metroid apparently not being all that popular as a whole, and it will be a miracle if the series gets back on its feet.

Why is Metroid unpopular there anyway?