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gingerninja666 SCH-NEIGH-ZEL from Aboard The Damocles Since: Aug, 2009
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#1: Jun 6th 2011 at 2:12:52 PM

I have this villain who's known as the fastest being alive. I wanted the way his speed worked to be a bit different from the norm, so i've made him so fast that it drastically changes his perspective of time. He moves so fast he's basically teleporting, I had a scene in mind where he's being aimed at with a sniper rifle from several buildings away, but runs to the sniper in the time it takes for him to pull the trigger. The drawback on his power is that from his perspective, time has all but stopped, to cope he's learned a technique where he can change his perspective of time bak to a normal one, but it only works with a lot of concentration and when he's motionless. As such, he can't learn anything like martial arts or marksmanship because it'd be impossible for him to train. From the hero's POV he's alway standing still.

Now the problem: I can't figure out a way to beat him. The heroes are a skilled swordsman who can Flash Step and knows basic magic, A Big Guy with Super-Strength, Miniguns and Rocket Launchers, A Gadgeteer Genius with Superhuman Durability, a novice swordsman, and a Master Martial Artist. Can anyone help me think of a way to stop this guy?

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#2: Jun 6th 2011 at 2:21:33 PM

Well, from what it sounds like, why wouldn't he be able to learn martial arts or sharp-shooting? If time stands till for him when he's not doing this coping technique, why is anyone even a threat to him? He could just stop focusing, thereby halting time, casually walk up to them and give them a clump of lead where their brain used to be.

I know I'm not exactly helping, but still.

Anyway, on methods to defeat him, you'd need to catch him off guard. Since this is a coping technique, I'd imagine he'd be using it whenever he could. Most people like their sanity, after all. Taking this into account, all the hero would need to do is attack him when he's not expecting it, assuming he's not omniscient. Sniper rifles, cloaking fields, and booby traps should all do nicely. And it all requires from the hero is for him to do some basic reconnaissance and swallow his pride for the good of whoever.

edited 6th Jun '11 2:23:14 PM by KSPAM

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#3: Jun 6th 2011 at 2:45:35 PM

How dirty are you willing to play? Because the obvious solution regarding this guy is to present him with a tempting lure that he has to slow down to appreciate, like, say, an attractive young member of his preferred sex with a thing for speedsters, let him build up some sort of sense of security with them, then take him out while he's in his comfort zone. Alternatively, if you want to keep your heroes moral-ish, you could just have the relationship develop naturally without their involvement, and then have them take advantage of it after much angsting and clear evidence that this dude needs to be taken down now.

In short, weaponise The Ballad of Barry Allen.

edited 6th Jun '11 2:50:21 PM by Iaculus

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justheretoseecuts Since: Dec, 1969
#4: Jun 6th 2011 at 3:55:38 PM

A few quick ideas: The heroes fake the villain into attacking the gadgeteer genius, while the swordsman flash steps to impale the villain with his sword when his back is turned. The gadgeteer's durability protects him from the villain's attack and the hero's stab. The two swordsman get into a position with the villain making it impossible to escape without hitting a sword and cutting himself (back against a wall maybe?) Big guy puts enough bullets into the air that it is like a wall, without a way for the villain to avoid getting hit. Heroes figure out how often he needs to slow to normal speed, adapt their strategy to maximize the amount of this time, and attack him during that(really vague, I know). Fight him in an environment where speed could cause vision problems (heavy rain or snow?) Maybe some more later. Information on how the swordswman's flash step would be helpful (if it is a burst of speed like the villains, but not sustained, could be useful) as could any spells or gadgets which could create barriers or impede movement.

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#5: Jun 6th 2011 at 4:45:59 PM

Depending on how dirty you want to play, open negotiations with the villain—and have leverage, like something he reallyreallyreally wants. He'll have to go into normal-speed. Then you can have a sniper shoot him in the face.

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gingerninja666 SCH-NEIGH-ZEL from Aboard The Damocles Since: Aug, 2009
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#6: Jun 6th 2011 at 5:04:05 PM

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That wouldn't work. There's nothing he wants, he's a hired gun. He had a family, but they were all killed before he was sent to fight.

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#7: Jun 6th 2011 at 5:07:19 PM

Do his internal organs function as fast as he does, or is that circumvented by magic? If the former is true you could have the heroes poison him.

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gingerninja666 SCH-NEIGH-ZEL from Aboard The Damocles Since: Aug, 2009
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#8: Jun 6th 2011 at 5:14:19 PM

I'm intrigued. His organs move as fast as he does. No magic is involved, it's basically his Charles Atlas Superpower What do you mean by poison?

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#9: Jun 6th 2011 at 5:18:45 PM

Poison. Get him to eat poison. Any poison. Even if it's a slow-acting one, he'd die in seconds. Faster metabolism!

edited 6th Jun '11 5:18:54 PM by SavageHeathen

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#10: Jun 6th 2011 at 5:21:02 PM

Obviously the best way to do this is to invite him for a nice cup of tea and lace it with some kind of hard to detect poison.

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#11: Jun 6th 2011 at 5:27:05 PM

magic user could :

  1. Alter his perception of time so thathe thinks he is already at superspeed but it's really on normal speed
  2. Alter his relative time (slow time for him) , so that he needs superspeed to be in normal speed.

alternatively they could trick him to go into lightspeed and he would timetravel without control

gadgeter genius could

  1. trick him to go to a portal to the sun.
  2. Remove gravity so that he isn't able to run
  3. augment gravity in an area so that he wont be able to run

edited 6th Jun '11 5:29:39 PM by FallenLegend

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#12: Jun 6th 2011 at 5:27:40 PM

Anything that's strong enough to kill a human within a short amount of time. Preferably something tasteless and odorless, but it doesn't have to be; the faster he moves toward an antidote, the faster it'll spread through his system.

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#13: Jun 6th 2011 at 6:07:27 PM

Wait, if his metabolism is that fast, wouldn't he need to eat constantly?

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#14: Jun 7th 2011 at 7:01:45 AM

[up][up] But he'd move just as fast. You'd need to make sure he doesn't know about it before it has an irrevocable effect.

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#15: Jun 7th 2011 at 7:33:27 AM

You can't just shoot him in his sleep?

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#16: Jun 7th 2011 at 8:56:25 AM

The important thing in this case is to deny the villain the usage of his powers. Forgive me for using technological and military oriented methods, but really that sort of thing is probably the only stuff that can 100% immobilise him with reliability.

Area denial weapons such as anti-personnel mines would probably force him to stay at normal speed for fear of blowing himself up, if he isn't killed or seriously wounded when he first encounters it - after all, when you're going extremely fast, you can't check the ground for things like that, which require a lot of time and effort to detect and neutralise. Suppressive fire from hidden or hard to reach positions (so that he can't just speed his way over to them) would also work, as no matter how fast you're going a wall of lead will blow your head off all the same. It would be very important to keep him from engaging at close range, so misdirection would help tie him up and make him have to waste time figuring out what's going on.

Also, despite that one (evidently incompetent) sniper being killed, I'd have to say a sniper would work wonders, assuming he's a good shot, isn't an idiot, and doesn't park himself in plain sight in an easy to reach location. Just have him pin down Mr. Speedy or otherwise make the villain eat a lead sandwich delivered via 7.62/.50 calibre rifle.

Of course, the heroes could go the No Kill like Overkill route and just go crazy with the projectile attacks (preferably ones that behave like cluster munitions).

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