A procrastination in of itself
I'm 21 and I'd activate such an app on my phone happily, it would make it so much easier for my parents to pick me up from the train station.
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I'd put the tracker on the phone. In case the phone gets stolen or lost. Kids should be trusted with technology, of course, but I don't trust myself to have a phone without a tracker I can use from a laptop to figure out where it is should it get stolen.
If one can resist using the tracker for any other means, it's a good idea to just have it.
I'd tell the kid about this and the reason for it. If a kid would then suspect me of using this to spy on them, I'd agree to turn it off as long if the phone does get lost or stolen, the kid won't expect a new one anytime soon.
edited 11th Sep '15 9:46:39 AM by Luminosity
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My son is nine. I sure as hell am not giving him a smartphone, but neither would I expect him to be outside of adult supervision for any length of time requiring me to need to track him through it.
As a teenager, things change, of course. I'd like to be able to know he's safe, but that was possible long before we could track our kids via their phones. It's a new world in many ways.
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Also, this. You want to be able to track your phone on general principles, and if I got my son a phone, it would be part of a family plan with tracking as an implicit part of that, in case of loss or theft. If he wants to buy his own phone with his own plan, he'd damn well better get a job to pay for it.
edited 11th Sep '15 9:46:32 AM by Fighteer
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Queen of Good Things, Honest
To answer, "Why would you let your kid be where you don't trust them being," the thing is that teenagers can be pretty devious about not being where they're supposed to be.
If a five-year-old is having a sleepover at his friend's house, he's probably there. A 16-year-old could be anywhere.
edited 11th Sep '15 10:27:05 AM by TobiasDrake
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My parents were very good at restricting my movements even at 16. It is hard for me to fathom your kid not being where you tell them to be.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
A procrastination in of itself
A lot depends on location, in a town or city it's near impossible, out in the sticks it's pretty easy if your kid can't drive.
Like my parents could know with ease where I am when I'm home, but that's because I can't drive and there's nothing around here. When my motorbike was still running I could have driven off a couple of counties away. My mum tends to know when I've gone on long journeys because I tell her, but once you've got your own transport it's free reign. I mostly live in London now and the idea of being able to keep track of a kid there, it would be impossible.
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Yeah, I had a driver's license and a car as soon as I was 16. When that car exploded I got another car. My parents only knew where I was if I was at home.
Kids aren't always courteous enough to even announce their departure. I didn't, I just hopped in my car and drove. Before I had my car, I would just leave through the gate in the backyard and go where I wanted to go. My BFF ran away from home three times when she was a kid.
edited 11th Sep '15 11:00:13 AM by TobiasDrake
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My parents did not need too much parenting cuz I never left home. See? Easier.
No. I mean it.they had to trick me so I could attend the last year of high school party.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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Some sort of extension of things like Find My iPhone, although altered so that the kid/teenager's phone can't have related functionality tampered with?
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Even in a city you can trap your kids. It isn't hard. Most parents justdont do it.
I'm not advocating parents should without just cause but I laugh at the parents who say they just can't do anything to harness their kids.
Your kids are what you allow them to be.
I shirk the parents who claim their kids are something negative because 99% of the time, you control that.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
A nice butterfly
Look. It all depends on what age the young'uns are. And yes. I am a racthety old man that actually just said "Young'uns". Sue me. The point is.
There are tools
That teach (SPANISH) budget, time trackers, and other security tools
There is for example an app that locks down the kid's smartphone if they receive a phone call from their mother and they do not answer it. And even then an app and a plan does not cut it. Most important of all is fucking sitting down with the snot nosed monster that maes your life impossible and fucking talk to them for a change. Time is pressing and it is not kind when attempting this task but you know what? it is ''necessary'.
People are a lot more willing to understand measures if they agree to them and they are informed of them. Maybe a person is very annoyed by mom calling in every 5 minutes. Let us make a compromise. Mom. Shut the fuck up. Kid. You commit yourself to phoning mom at X PM and we expect you back home at Y PM max.
Kid. You hate your parents' idea of browing your history? Parents then you need to create a safe environment where you tell them what specifically you fear. Is it porn? Tough shit dad that is everywhere. If you're close minded on this the fault is yours. Kids? Porn is cool, trust me, I know. But there's creeps out there. Like me. And beleive you me, mom and dad are rightfully concerned, otherwise I will teach you a vocabulary that will sear the ever loving innocence out of you.
Just. Sit down and talk. see what's the concern of both parties. I am generally all against compromises since there is nazi blood in me but for fuck's sake sitting down with your kid is not rocket science.
edited 11th Sep '15 11:55:45 AM by Aszur
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Lost in Space
I'll be honest, we exercise pretty strict supervision of our son, but he is inherently hard to control. It's not that he's a bad person; he is loving and sensitive and tries hard, but his nature makes it hard to control his impulses, so he can fly into a rage and do stuff that he later regrets.
I'd like the security of knowing that if he does go tearing off in a quasi-bipolar episode, I can find him.
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I got this from the Bizarre News email newsletter, so no link ... but I'd be torn between wanting to give my kids a reward, and strangling them in front of the police.
United Earth
So it's like Prison School with cars instead of girls.
But, man, what adults can keep up with so many children?
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I don't think it's a Prison School any more than any other elementary school is - there are safety measures there to protect the students, even if it doesn't always seem that way to the students, and these guys got around it. It's not like you can just walk away from school in the middle of the day, not at age 5.
Also, total props to the kids - I don't think I had that much dedication to anything at that agenote . Digging a tunnel under the fence? Even if it was just a trench deep enough for them to squeeze through, that's still a lot of work.
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No, not a literal prison school, it's just the title of an anime/manga that takes place in a school and takes Perving is Serious Business Beyond the Impossible. Plans worthy of The Great Escape are put in place for something as simple as a date.
The Mod with the Migraine
Good news, apparently antibullying laws are effective, at least at reducing the number of bullied teens.
Bullying behavior is typically defined as a persistent pattern of harassment and intimidation that's directed at an individual and can be physical or verbal. Bullying behavior is meant to scare, isolate and humiliate the victim. It can come in the form of threats, spreading rumors, attacks or purposeful exclusion of the victim. Bullying can create deep emotional scars for victims and for bystanders who witness this behavior. The impact can be felt for a lifetime, and it leaves people depressed, anxious and can even lead to suicide.
In the wake of several high-profile suicides among students who were chronically bullied, and after two students who said they were constantly bullied attacked their fellow students in 1999 at Columbine High School in Colorado, various states started passing laws to stop bullying behavior among students. Every state in the country now has something on the books.
"It's hard to believe 15 years ago we didn't really have anti-bullying laws," said lead author Dr. Mark Hatzenbuehler. Hatzenbuehler is an association professor in the department of sociomedical sciences at Columbia University. What makes the study important is that it's the first to look for a direct effect of these laws on students. What's striking about the study's findings, Hatzenbuehler said, is exactly how much of an effect these laws have had to stop bullying.
The laws, he said, have helped everyone, even segments of the population that are typically seen as more at risk: the obese or overweight, people with disabilities and people who identify as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender. Looking at data from more than 60,000 high school students in public and private schools in 25 states, the study found that states that did have anti-bullying laws with at least one Department of Education recommendation saw fewer instances of bullying.
In 2010, the U.S. Department of Education created a document that laid out 11 recommendations for effective bullying laws. They included spelling out what is prohibited behavior, training in bullying prevention and monitoring to make sure the policies are enforced. This study found that the states with laws that had even one of these Department of Education suggestions showed 24% less reports of in-person bullying and 20% less reported cyberbullying.
Students in Alabama, for instance, saw a decline in bullying that was so significant only 14% reported a problem; whereas in South Dakota 27% of students reported being the victim of bullying. Across the 25 states studied (there was not enough data on the other states), the average rate of bullying matched the CDC figures at around 20%. That still leaves millions of U.S. children face regular harassment and don't feel safe when they go to class.
While more work needs to be done to fully understand the combination of law that works best — the study was observational and did not get at why these laws were effective — what does seem to consistently work is when states define what bullying behavior is prohibited, and it helps when the law requires schools to create and enforce anti-bullying policies. The authors theorize laws that are specific about what constitutes bullying may empower school administrations to stop the behavior. Earlier studies have shown that programs that have the most impact also teach parents and teachers that bullying should not be the norm, and encourage peers and adults to intervene to stop the behavior.
In the future, Hatzenbuehler hopes to expand the study to include younger children. Middle schoolers do tend to face a disproportionate amount of bullying compared with other age groups, according to earlier studies. But Hatzenbuehler thinks his study effectively shows that bullying doesn't have to be business as usual among children. "Laws actually work, and as we get a better understanding of what combination of law works best we can create a gold standard of legislation," that will be even more impactful, Hatzenbeuhler said.
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I am so happy and relieved to hear that. HOPE!
Me too. Thanks. Now if they could just get rid of peer pressure.
Peer pressure isn't bad so long as it is positive peer pressure.
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As a parent, I support peer pressure.
The thing is to make sure your kid has quality peers. I swear the little girl my son is friends with isn't perfect of course but without her pressure my son would not be as well off.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
Be careful what you wish for. "Pressure" of any sort robs one of agency. Esp. the pressure of equally inexperienced young people. But I do realize how unlikely it is that we can ever be entirely free of it.
If my kid is being an ass I expect his friends to call him out for it and refuse to associate with him until he cuts that out.
You make it sound like I am not firmiliar with positive or negative peer pressure.
Regardless, peer pressure doesn't stop at childhood and it is a very valuable social tool.
After all, if not for positive pressure we wouldn't have many of the progressive measures we have now.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
They way I see it is if you have to check your kid like that, there should be other things you are doing instead.
Like if you can't trust your kid with a phone, why do they have one? Likewise if you can't trust your kid to be where they said they would be/where you drop them off, what the hell are you doing letting them run around?
That's a mark against the parent, not completely the kid. But I agree with Aszur.
Kids are freaking stupid. They're supposed to be. They're kids.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur