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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#1: Jun 1st 2011 at 9:08:40 AM

At least, it seems that way when you're a Kansas state representative. I don't think there are enough facepalms on the internet to cope with this level of stupidity.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/05/31/granderson.rape.abortion/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Grand Rapids, Michigan (CNN) — Well, now that Oprah's finally said goodbye, maybe women can get back to the important business of planning to be raped.

What's that? You have no idea what I'm talking about?

That's exactly what some politicians are hoping for — women's lack of attention to what is being said about them, women being unaware of what is being decided about them.

I'm a dude, so I don't really have a dog in this race, but I thought an elected official suggesting women should be prepared to be raped the way he is prepared for a flat tire would draw more attention than Arnold Schwarzenegger's love child. But once again, I've overestimated the public's ability to prioritize.

Earlier this month, Kansas State Rep. Pete De Graaf made some rather outlandish comments during a debate centered on banning insurance companies in Kansas from offering abortion coverage as part of their general health plans unless a woman's life were at risk. The bill, which the governor signed into law last week, would require a woman to carry a separate policy for abortions. When Rep. Barbara Bollier voiced concern for women who may become pregnant as a result of rape or incest, this exchange followed:

De Graaf: "We do need to plan ahead, don't we, in life?"

Bollier: "And so women need to plan ahead for issues that they have no control over with pregnancy?"

De Graaf: "I have a spare tire on my car."

"I also have life insurance," he added. "I have a lot of things that I plan ahead for."

Ladies and gentleman of the great state of Kansas, your tax dollars at work.

It shouldn't really matter which side of the fence you stand on regarding abortion: that tone, that rationale, has no place in the debate. That more people, more women, were not angered by De Graaf's statements only highlights just how little we are paying attention to lawmakers.

Tea partier Sharron Angle raised eyebrows during the 2010 midterm election by suggesting rape and incest victims who become pregnant and do not have an abortion made a "lemon situation into lemonade" — but at least she lost and cannot mandate that rape victims make lemonade. These guys are in office and affecting policy. Last month, while debating a similar ban, Idaho State Rep. Brent Crane said rape was the "hand of the Almighty" at work.

Yep, that's right ladies, being raped could be part of God's plan.

It's one thing to discuss whether or not life begins at conception but to go so far as to trivialize one of the most horrific crimes anyone could ever experience is nothing more than an extension of the chauvinistic blame-the-victim mentality that has always tainted the conversation on rape.

I wonder who De Graaf believes has the greatest risk of being raped, and thus should purchase insurance accordingly? I wonder if Degraaf believes rape is inevitable as death and that's why he mentioned he made the correlation with his life insurance policy.

Am I making too much of a big deal about this?

Not when you look at the mentality of Indiana Rep. Eric Turner, who earlier this year introduced a bill that would make abortions illegal after 20 weeks instead of 24 weeks. When Rep. Gail Riecken proposed an amendment to that bill exempting women who are the victims of rape or incest, Turner said Reicken's proposal would encourage women to lie in order to get an abortion.

"I don't want to disparage in any way someone who has gone through the experience of a rape or incest — but someone who is desirous of an abortion could simply say that they've been raped or there's incest," he said.

True, but does that mean the overall mental health of someone who was a victim, someone who was not lying, suddenly doesn't matter? I tend to think the only person who would make that kind of a statement is someone who tends to believe the number of women who lie about being sexually assaulted are far greater than the ones who actually are.

These are the kind of people, the kind of men, who are involved in shaping the conversation about abortion. This is why it is imperative that women, and not just those affiliated with groups like NOW, pay attention to what is being said and done. The issue at hand is not simply the morality of having an abortion, that's one aspect of it. But the other wrinkle to this conversation, the one all women — regardless of political affiliation —should be able to rally around, is addressing the attitude and tone of the conversation. If men feel comfortable enough to be on the legislative floor and suggest that women and girls lie about rape, or recommend that it is something they should prepare for, one can only imagine what is being said behind closed doors.

Remember in April when federal funding for Planned Parenthood was being debated, Sen. John Kyl boldly stated that 90% of the organization's services were providing abortions — when in fact the procedure only represented 3% of Planned Parenthood's functions? Of the more than 11 million services provided in 2009, more than 4 million fell under contraception and nearly 4 million fell under sexually transmitted disease testing. Nearly 2 million were for cancer screenings. A little more than 300,000 were abortions.

Late night TV had a good laugh at Kyl's expense when his staff later said the number was not supposed to be "factual." What isn't funny is the thought of just how many measures regarding a woman's body that Kyl supported or pushed forward.

When it comes to the topic of abortion, a politician's view is often shaped by his or her religion. What it should not be shaped by is sexism and flat-out lies.

The notions that rape is a possibility that women should plan for, or that abortions should not be provided to victims of rape or incest because some women might lie about an attack to get their insurance company to pay, reek of misogyny. Female voters need to pay closer attention to this rhetoric and be more vocal in challenging it, because ultimately it's not the Kyls, De Graafs and Turners who are losing control over their bodies. It's them.

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Bur Chaotic Neutral from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Not war
#2: Jun 1st 2011 at 9:11:58 AM

/facepalm

My income tax is going to this place.

DAMNIT KANSAS! First we have that whole "Don't teach evolution" embarrassment, then you pass that law that makes lap-dances illegal, and now this.

...at least I don't live there.

i. hear. a. sound.
annebeeche watching down on us from by the long tidal river Since: Nov, 2010
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#3: Jun 1st 2011 at 9:16:34 AM

Banned entirely for telling FE that he was being rude and not contributing to the discussion. I shall watch down from the goon heavens.
blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#4: Jun 1st 2011 at 9:18:20 AM

See, this is why I proposed we have a double Congress, one for men, and one for women.

annebeeche watching down on us from by the long tidal river Since: Nov, 2010
watching down on us
#5: Jun 1st 2011 at 9:19:29 AM

We should also have individual congresses for white people and black people, and people from Japan, and muslims, and artists, and coin collectors, and baseball fanatics, and

Banned entirely for telling FE that he was being rude and not contributing to the discussion. I shall watch down from the goon heavens.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#6: Jun 1st 2011 at 9:20:21 AM

Its times like This Missouri looks almost liberal by comparison. Which is kinda sad given how many conservative wing nuts we have.

blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#7: Jun 1st 2011 at 9:22:52 AM

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No worse than having representatives based on random geographical borders.

Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#8: Jun 1st 2011 at 9:24:08 AM

Theyre not random. Theyre carefully gerrymandered borders to deprive the party not in power of as much power as possible.

Bur Chaotic Neutral from Flyover Country Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Not war
#9: Jun 1st 2011 at 9:28:22 AM

Missouri is very much on the side of sanity in comparison to the hijinks Kansas pulls, wingnuts or not.

i. hear. a. sound.
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#10: Jun 1st 2011 at 9:30:12 AM

Mostly because Kansas makes it an art form to be the midwest's version of arizona or Florida.

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#11: Jun 1st 2011 at 9:42:34 AM

Been a while since I've heard anyone accidentally claiming that God is a rapist...

Dracomicron Since: Jan, 2001
#12: Jun 1st 2011 at 9:53:01 AM

Been a while since I've heard anyone accidentally claiming that God is a rapist...

I hear He likes virgins...

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#13: Jun 1st 2011 at 9:54:57 AM

I do find it insanely disturbing that people are this absolutely convinced of God's plan being entirely predestined for them that they believe letting circumstance making all the decisions for you is something God would want of creatures he created specifically to give free will to.

edited 1st Jun '11 9:55:18 AM by Midgetsnowman

HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
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#14: Jun 1st 2011 at 10:00:55 AM

Of course by their logic, it's also God's plan for the victim to get an abortion. He moves in mysterious ways, and all that.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
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HungryJoe Gristknife from Under the Tree Since: Dec, 2009
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#16: Jun 1st 2011 at 10:15:06 AM

Isn't every baby born a product of incest since Eve was a Gender Swap Clone of Adam?

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elemcee Since: Dec, 2009
#17: Jun 1st 2011 at 10:20:38 AM

HOH, wow, that is a lot of fail.

Dracomicron Since: Jan, 2001
#18: Jun 1st 2011 at 10:24:05 AM

Actually I'm pretty sure that there were a ton of Gardens of Eden, because after Cain kills Abel and is cast out, he freaks because he thinks that people will kill him outside of the safety of the valley.

Dude, what people? You're literally the third human to exist. Unless, like I said, God had set up Eden franchises all over the place.

Unless, I suppose, Lilith was pregnant when she got thrown out for wanting to be on top during sex.

Still icky.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
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#19: Jun 1st 2011 at 10:27:06 AM

[up][up][up]The rules against incest were instated very long after Adam and Eve. By then, there was enough spread in the tree that nobody would have even cared unless it was with an immediate relative.

[up] It never says how many children Adam and Eve have. Three sons are mentioned by name, but other "sons and daughters" of unspecified number are there too.

edited 1st Jun '11 10:29:30 AM by Pykrete

Delles The Snark Knight from Madmen Pavillion Since: Oct, 2010
#20: Jun 1st 2011 at 10:35:25 AM

It's very nice to hear how competent some representatives are.

Seriously, I wonder if sometimes, the only way to make some people stop spouting such absurdities is making them experience it beforehand.

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#21: Jun 1st 2011 at 10:49:38 AM

The part thats worse is these people not only have these opinions, but have people who elected them specifically because of it.

Its people like that that give christianity and conservativism the bad name it has in popular media and culture, because theyre such highly visible and extreme caricatures of every bad stereotype of those groups..

edited 1st Jun '11 10:50:07 AM by Midgetsnowman

Usht Lv. 3 Genasi Wizard from an arbitrary view point. Since: Feb, 2011
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#22: Jun 1st 2011 at 10:53:12 AM

Okay, I can understand the idea women needing skills like how to defend themselves in case of such events, but come on! This is seriously making things like Pro-Life and such just look like a bunch of tyrants. They aren't.

edited 1st Jun '11 10:54:33 AM by Usht

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AlirozTheConfused Bibliophile. from Daz Huat! Since: May, 2010
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#23: Jun 1st 2011 at 10:57:21 AM

One wonders why women should expect to be raped, and why preparing to bear the child in such circumstances takes precedence over avoiding such circumstances.

I mean, wouldn't making an effort to prevent rape be more practical?

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Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#24: Jun 1st 2011 at 10:58:55 AM

But preventing the rape is playing god. How dare you interfere with God's plan.

^^ That's the problem, yep. I may be pro-choice myself, but I do respect the opinions of the more sane pro-life advocates. But when people start insisting on shit like this or plastering huge billboards up about how pro-choicers are baby killing, godless heathens, it makes it very hard for their entire movement to be taken seriously.

edited 1st Jun '11 11:00:33 AM by Midgetsnowman

AlirozTheConfused Bibliophile. from Daz Huat! Since: May, 2010
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#25: Jun 1st 2011 at 11:00:26 AM

Wouldn't preparing for it also be defying the plan? Is it not arrogant to think that you can outplan The Plan and prepare for your life, that you have that kind of knowledge, power, and control over your life?

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