Race- Privilege, Relations, Racism, etc.

The College Board recently announced that it will no longer test students on the thousands of years that predated European colonialism.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."

Academia is always political.

It's why I'm glad Marshall University is going to be in Fallout 76.

I can now nuke my former employers.

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Its official guys. I only manage to kept myself in existence thanks to my distant spanish genes.

Also. Most of the ruins of my country are vanishing, including some spanish ones that were build over native architecture. Also, the best friend of my grandpa just vanished and left a white void.

That is the power of human cognition.

Summary of how I felt about that new.

The Void will consume all of us. Please white people, dont forget me.

edited 13th Jun '18 9:31:58 PM by KazuyaProta

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They should at least be upfront about this. Don't call it AP World History anymore. Call it AP Post-colonial History.

Disgusted, but not surprised

I don't see the logic in this.

I do, there is no way to properly cover all of world history in a single course, it tends to be given about 1 week per major power in personal experiance as a student.... so like all of Chinese history? One week, even though you can't cover it in that.... so splitting it up into chunks honestly makes sense.

However, the way they are doing it is nothing but political racism.

Seriously, call this one AP Post-colonial History, and then add a whole bunch more courses to go with it.

edited 14th Jun '18 12:24:24 AM by Imca

Well yes but once an American bureaucrat or politician removes something from the school system for whatever stupid reason (usually its a pretty stupid reason) the chances of it coming back is nil.

So unless they change their tune or do what you suggested the chances of us seeing more history classes on anything but how white colonials fucked up everything this will still be a net loss for us.

And chances are they'll whitewash the colonials actions. Its happened many times before.

edited 14th Jun '18 12:33:03 AM by Wispy

England has had minority populations since Roman times, Roman troops from Africa and the Middle East were stationed in Britain and some settled down there, additionally trade and the exchange of people had been happening with Spain (for much of the time period controlled by Muslims) and other areas of Europe.

Britain was white during medieval times, but it wasn’t totally white, especially in urban trading hubs where it was easy for say a Moorish trader to settle down and set up shop.

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran

I'm particularly repugnated for how bigots use arguments like this.

They said that, but then they flat out deny any chance of minorities feeling pride about themselves because "race don't matter".

Ugh. What are your opinions on that class of people?

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Bigots gonna bigot.

They have no logic other than, "We hate these people" so arguing with them is pointless.

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Mostly just contempt and anger.

As Charles Phipps said, bigots gonna bigot.

edited 14th Jun '18 10:17:00 AM by Fourthspartan56

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn

Mind you, it sometimes helps to break them down.

I had one of my few mystical experiences when praying when God's voice spoke to me and said, "Charles, stop being an asshole."

Which I've tried to live up to.

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@ Silasw

Then again, between the abandonment of Britannia and the settlement of the Saxons and the Norse during Late Antiquity and the Early Middle Ages respectively it's quite likely that any diversity of colour was lost (whitening of skin does happen in the long run); even during the High and Low Middle Ages when trade routes were reopened, it would have probably been more likely to find someone from Continental Europe than from Northern Africa or the Middle East since Sicily, the Iberian peninsula, the Kievan Rus and Constantinople were already intermediates of trade from which it would then go into the heartland of Europe.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.

In those mediaeval times, colour of skin, along with other physical features, wasn’t that determining a trait for one’s collective identity.

This was common to both Christendom and İslamiyet: Faith was the first and foremost trait, one was part of a Communitas or an Ummah, followed by various allegiances to family, tribe, village, fief, suzerain, empire, what have you.

While the Middle-East, North Africa, Central Asia were more varied in types of human appearance than Western and Central Europe, it in no way means the latter was as homogeneous as later imagined and rendered in some fictional works.
A foreigner from far away, looking all alien and inscrutable, could convert to the One True Faith of the locals then settle down and mingle with them.

[Edit: Which was exactly what many of them did, more than is commonly assumed]

edited 15th Jun '18 11:57:08 AM by AlityrosThePhilosopher

Just as my freedom ends where yours begins my tolerance of you ends where your intolerance toward me begins. As told by an old friend

The Ummayads might want a word with you, considering one of the main reasons for their collapse was resistance to their ethnocentric policies.

edited 15th Jun '18 12:17:12 PM by DrunkenNordmann

Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.

What is this AP history thing supposed to be?

Is it: “There were those funny folks who built these funny folksy ruins over there and they left some meaningless artefacts too, silly stuff you won’t be getting tested on; then some civilised folks came all over the place, civilising it some, and that’s when the serious history begins”?

Or is it: “Those were the Whatyamacallemites, they didn’t add or subtract anything to world history, they mostly saw the end of a sword and other pointy things often, they were mostly adept at dying”?

Just as my freedom ends where yours begins my tolerance of you ends where your intolerance toward me begins. As told by an old friend

Drunken Nordmann:

The Damascus Ummayads were still attached to their pre-expansion Arabian allegiances, somewhat at odds with some of the tenets of Islam. They wanted to keep Muslim synonymous with Arab.
They didn’t last a century…

If they want a word I can tell them, that the many uncultured people the world over more than a thousand years after their demise, those still confusing Arab with Muslim, may be the only enduring legacy of those policies of theirs.

edited 15th Jun '18 12:41:50 PM by AlityrosThePhilosopher

Just as my freedom ends where yours begins my tolerance of you ends where your intolerance toward me begins. As told by an old friend

The Cordoba Ummayyads had more discerning policies, more in line with those of their Abbassid rivals and the rest of the Islamic world for many many centuries to come.

Just as my freedom ends where yours begins my tolerance of you ends where your intolerance toward me begins. As told by an old friend

And their offshoot, the Emirate/Caliphate of Cordoba, had a fairly defined racial hierarchy that dictated the relationship between Arabs, Berbers and native Iberian Christians and Jews (though it was possible for members of the latter groups to attain high ranks). Not to mention that tribal divisions were part of the Muslim community since its founding: the power politics between Muhammad's original followers from Mecca (the Muhajirun) and the converts in Yathrib (the Ansar) was a contentious issue during his lifetime and continued with the question of Ali's succession, which culminated in the Sunni-Shi'a divide. Unity within the faith is a great concept in practice, but it's very, very difficult to get past our tribalist instincts.

Edit: ninja'd, not sure which post this should be responding to anymore.

edited 15th Jun '18 12:45:51 PM by eagleoftheninth

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Its a bit of both.

"“There were those funny folks who built these funny ruins over there and they left some meaningless artefacts too, silly stuff you will be getting tested on. They didn’t add or subtract anything to world history, as none of them are left around."

And then they died killed for the unbeatable White People.

(Add that too Imca)

edited 15th Jun '18 1:09:24 PM by KazuyaProta

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Those civilisations were all hierarchical rather than egalitarian, not unlike the various privileges of Mediaeval Christendom along classes, estates (nobility, etc.), etc.
Yet one could be ennobled, or accepted into a privileged tribe, not that common an occurrence yet far from unheard of, unlike with racial categories which are fixed at birth and can only be cheated by some individuals able to look and act the part of the race they impersonate.

Obviously those outside The One True Faith had no part in the community of believers, and their being tolerated without being pogrom’d or razzia’d (later words but the acts were there far earlier) was the best they could hope for.

Thank you Imca and Kazuya Prota for the info.

Just as my freedom ends where yours begins my tolerance of you ends where your intolerance toward me begins. As told by an old friend

The Air Force Reserve kicks out recruit after racist video surfaces.

"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."

Good riddance.

One duck dinner with an egg on face side.