Race- Privilege, Relations, Racism, etc.

I haven't watched the movie in a really long time, but I think the problem with Disney's Hunchback portrayal is the whole 'court of thieves' thing they had going on, right?

The Edema Ruh in Name of the Wind are looked down on by the rest of society - thought of as thieves, or lazy never-do-wells, etc. I remember there was a scene where one of the side characters used a slang term for an STD and Kvothe asked them not to because the slang term was a reference to the Edema Ruh, which isn't exactly complimentary.

Other positive depictions... well, there are the Gyptians in the His Dark Materials books.

Crossposting from the Terrorism thread:

Three Kansas Men Found Guilty Of Bomb Plot Targeting Somali Muslim Immigrants:

Wait, Sessions actually used the phrase 'domestic terrorism' in reference to a planned bombing of Muslims?

That means the perps are nonwhite, right? Or maybe he's just resigned to being booted out by Trump by now?

Maybe Sessions is Mr. Law and Order first. ^No, all three perpetrators are white.

edited 19th Apr '18 3:47:12 AM by SeptimusHeap

Huh, that's a pleasant surprise. The racist Keebler elf isn't a complete degenerate, who would've guessed.

Welp, he's as good as fired.

Oh yeah he's totally boned, still a shockingly good hill to die on considering who he is.

edited 19th Apr '18 4:43:55 AM by Fourthspartan56

I have a question guys and I hope I can contextualize it well.

As many media outlets have made known, Venezuela right now is under a severe crisis and its people are leaving en masse to seek better pastures or to provide to their families back home.

One of the countries where the venezuelans are going the most is Peru, my homeland, and the influx of venezuelans has statted to cause some discomfort in the population.

On to the question.

Is all criticism of inmigration a sign of xenophobia? I honestly don’t believe it, while I don’t think any less ot the venezuelans that come here and I’d be hypocrital if I don’t acknowledge that they allowed us to go to their country when ours was in the dumps, I cannot pretend that the many complaints I have heard first and second hand from my family and friends are nonsense or exaggerations.

I don’t want a wall, let’s leave that clear, but I don’t buy the narrative that inmigrants are all around positive for a country.

I would say that opposition to immigration is generally xenophobic, in the US it certainly is. But I don't know enough about Peru to offer much of a position on the anti-immigration sentiment there.

edited 19th Apr '18 7:54:40 AM by Fourthspartan56

The main (and thus far, only) complaint I have heard is that venezuelans are displacing local workers and lowering the wages of every other job, and that includes the professional sphere.

Immigration is not a positive for the country being immigrated to 100% all the time no matter what. That said, people tend not to immigrate somewhere unless that place has something to offer them, so it can usually be made into a net positive if handled well.

The main thing that immigrants do is expand the economy. Immigrants are both new workers and new consumers. Unless the economy is already in a severe supply crisis (ie, is unable to produce enough stuff for people to buy, causing rapid inflation as the same amount of money starts chasing less and less stuff), additional demand is a good thing, since it allows for additional growth. Expanding the workforce is also generally a good thing, though it can be bad for specific sectors of the market if they get flooded with more workers than there are jobs for them.

The main problem is in the transition period when immigrants first arrive. They need paperwork giving them legal status to live and work in the country — if they don't have that, they'll be forced into working under the table, which causes its own problems. They may need help settling in, including housing assistance and enough money to get by until they can find a job. There will be an adjustment period as they get used to the local culture (and the local culture gets used to them). None of that is painless.

But unless there's something seriously wrong, those issues will smooth themselves out over time. And if there is something wrong, then problems with immigrants is a symptom of that, not a cause.

Immigration is actually very damn good for the economy, and when the economy is doing well, well..a lot of things tend to be better

Also, some weird bizarre self hate where we see Venezuelan woman as Sex godesses and we love it because they're better looking than us.

Yeah, Peru is kinda Self hate, the country

Well said! _______________________________________________________________________________

Honestly the whole "immigrants drive down wages" thing is rather transparently victim blaming and confusing what the actual problem is, yes businesses will take advantage of the weakness of immigrants to make use of cheap labor but that's not really something that should be used to blame the immigrants. Rather the predatory businesses should be criticized and efforts should be taken to make sure there are powerful unions to act as a counter-balance to the aforementioned businesses.

edited 19th Apr '18 8:15:33 AM by Fourthspartan56

Well said.

@Fourthspartan 56 It usually is in Western Europe as well.

x4

The counterargument I have heard is that inmigration benefits the economy through the entrepeneurs and the industry, but that means that local workers will have to comfort to lower benefits and wages to avoid being displaced by the incoming labor force.

Mind you, there isn’t that much of a problem with the cultural adaptation since they are a latin population and latins have affinity with each other but there is a general recession in the country, both because of external and internal reasons, so we were already in the situation of not having enough jobs for everyone and the arrival of the venezuelans is making things harder; there is also the matter that prices have been on the rise instead of a decline, and, like I said before, inmigration is affecting both the low and middle classes (and I’ll wager some members of the upper class) since there is a harsher competition of works in the manual, technical and professional levels.

Aside from that, I’m quite glad I can have this conversation with you guys in such a civil manner, I was dreading the contrary to be honest.

edited 19th Apr '18 8:38:53 AM by raziel365

Sessions also admitted a while back that the civil war was about slavery and not states' rights.

He's still a pretty loathsome man but even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Being politically savvy enough to say the good words when the situation demands it is not the same as having a conscience. With the bombing attempts, Sessions was simply repeating the conclusions of the peopke whi had actually been pursuing the case, and the odds on him actually lifting a finger to help are minimal. Having a senile narcissist who will just blurt out whatever in the highest office in America has drastically lowered our standards of acceptability.

I think the Civil War was technically about both, in the sense of a state's right to keep slaves (or at least accept slavery). At the very least, that's an interesting rebuttal of the "MUH STATES RITES" argument

To be honest considering how rarely white terrorists are actually called terrorists I don't think I agree, anyway it's more than possible that he does have some kind of a conscious and is still a horrible bigot.

Broken clock and all that.

A couple things:

1. 2 African-American men arrested at Starbucks say they feared for their lives
2. State hits Memphis for removing Confederate monuments

2 African-American men arrested at Starbucks say they feared for their lives

State hits Memphis for removing Confederate monuments

The impression I got is that the judge and local police force used the T-word first, and he backed them up on that because he’s got enough basic social skills to know it would be weird if he didn’t.

A fair point, still I think it manages to qualify as a stopped clock moment all the same.

The only time immigration wouldnt be a net positive is if discrimmination prevents them from obtaining jobs, housing, or otherwise prevents them from functionally integrating into their new society. Thats a ticking time bomb.

I though that net positive meant that the good outweighted the bad. Even inmigrants getting the low payed jobs cause some positive.

I agree with you, the best way to reach the positives is when there relatively few things against the inmigrants.

edited 19th Apr '18 1:37:00 PM by KazuyaProta

Well said.