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First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.

With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.

First, a few starter questions.

  • How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
  • Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
    • Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
  • Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
  • Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?

Also, a personal question from me.

  • Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?

edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#16126: Mar 13th 2018 at 10:17:52 AM

@ Wildcard

Whenever people bring up Bryan Fischer they tend to not really know who he is. I hear him more in atheistic circles than ironically evangelical ones. While Bryan Fischer is a segment of American Christianity, making him the general face of it is inaccurate.

For Roy Moore, that was sadly a tribal Alabama thing.

edited 13th Mar '18 10:18:49 AM by firewriter

Wildcard from Revolution City Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#16127: Mar 13th 2018 at 10:19:15 AM

I'm saying we are as bad as many say and we are basically a terrible country when it comes to how we treat minorities. Maybe not the lowest, just really really far down.

If the USA is ever be better we need to emulate better countries in policy.

edited 13th Mar '18 10:27:55 AM by Wildcard

METAL GEAR!?
Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#16128: Mar 13th 2018 at 10:21:49 AM

[up]You're using that word but I don't think it means what you think it means.

Firstly things like "first world" "second world" and "third world" referred to the ideological alignment of countries during the Cold War. By definition first world was the US and its allies, second the Soviet Union and its allies, and third those unaligned nations. So we can't be a third world country if we tried.

Secondly while the US has major issues with minorities that... isn't really news. Obviously we need to improve but I don't think anyone here is seriously arguing otherwise.

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firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#16129: Mar 13th 2018 at 10:25:24 AM

@ Wildcard

I really think that even the developed nations have racial problems more than you think. If you are looking to Scandinavia or those other places for how to handle race relations, then you would be out of luck.

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#16130: Mar 13th 2018 at 10:32:01 AM

[up][up]Fair enough, but don't meme dude.

[up]Please stop arguing in bad faith, I'm obviously not saying we should look to every country for improvement. Just one like Canada, (which is better on Race than us as your articles showed), Holland, modern Germany. Places like that.

METAL GEAR!?
firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#16131: Mar 13th 2018 at 10:43:19 AM

[up]

http://www.theafricancourier.de/black-people-in-germany/black-life-in-todays-germany/

If you actually read about Germany how racism is handled in the country vs how people perceive it's handled is different. They might have hate speech laws, but even then people can still feel unwelcomed there.

In my opinion, when it comes to marches you can also terminate their permit to march. We have the freedom in this country to dissociate with people.

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/out-of-sight-out-of-mind-2/

Depending on who you are, some say it's worse in Canada. So, opinions on if Canada or America has worse race relations depends who you are talking to.

edited 13th Mar '18 10:44:38 AM by firewriter

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#16132: Mar 13th 2018 at 10:47:21 AM

[up] I know that your intention is that we start talking about something more than USA issues (I understand, it gets really boring), but given the current situation, it sounds more as you dont wanting discuse American racism at all.

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Wildcard from Revolution City Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Dating Catwoman
#16133: Mar 13th 2018 at 10:51:50 AM

@Fire Writer: Your articles don't support your conclusion. There is less hate crime in Germany even if it has very bad pocket areas like East Berlin.

As for the second article it is clearly an opinion piece, but even reading it one can tell we treat Natives on the reservation, our migrant workers, and even citizens as bad, (and sometimes worse) very often.

edited 13th Mar '18 11:01:03 AM by Wildcard

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firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#16134: Mar 13th 2018 at 10:56:35 AM

@Kazuya Prota

The problem is how some treat America when it comes to race relations. It feels in contrast with other countries, especially developed ones, they will downplay their own race relations and say ours is always worse. I do think on some issues people idealize too much of other countries like Germany and Canada as being better than the USA, because it often reeks of not really knowing their own problems that can be just as equally troubling as ours.

http://time.com/4318817/hate-crimes/

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/05/europe-more-racist-and-xenophobic-than-before-new-report-finds/

https://psmag.com/social-justice/europe-muslim-discrimination

edited 13th Mar '18 10:59:02 AM by firewriter

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#16135: Mar 13th 2018 at 10:57:32 AM

While you aren't completely wrong I think that's mostly besides the point, other countries also having racial issues doesn't really negate the severity of the US' issues.

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#16136: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:03:27 AM

So...the attempt at claiming Canadian race relations are worse than American ones because of how we treat our First Nations? Demonstrably false, not because Canada doesn't treat the First Nations atrociously (we do), but because the USA treats their First Nations just as badly, if not worse.

First Nations people are the single worst off minority in the USA. They are poorer and have shorter life expectancy than Hispanics, African-Americans, you name it. Criticize Canada all you want, but don't pretend it's worse than in the USA.

firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#16137: Mar 13th 2018 at 11:04:33 AM

@ Fourthspartan 56

I do think taking a dystopian view of American's race relations can be very counterproductive. I do believe there is more hope that we can fight corruption in the system and get the law to be more fairly handled.

However, I don't think some of the solutions like hate speech laws actually curb anti-immigration or racism. You still have far right politicians in Europe who are not so different from Trump and sometimes go way farther than him.

I don't believe looking up to other countries to solve our race relations is going to help us. I mean if you guys are mad at how laws are being selectively enforced, then I have a feeling that even with hate speech the rich could be able to evade being punished.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/germany-sees-new-rise-in-far-right-violence-hate-crimes/

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/03/anti-muslim-hate-crimes-surge-germany-spain-180303142227333.html

Also there has been an epidemic in Germany that has saw a rise in far right violence and hate crimes. I would say America and Germany both have problems. I don't think it has to do with hate speech, because I think even with those laws you can't prevent people from holding silently towards those sentiments and it can actually make go underground. I do think that the government should investigate more into troubling activities concerning certain extreme groups. At least when they are out in the open and speak their mind, they can be good to track down.

edited 13th Mar '18 11:37:16 AM by firewriter

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#16138: Mar 13th 2018 at 2:03:20 PM

Key and Peele released an absolutely savage sketch about cops killing blacks with "guns" while ignoring whites that are armed to the teeth.

Regarding that prosecution, why did they even find it worth their time to take such a case. Even if they won it (HOW?!), politically, it doesn't seem sensible.

edited 13th Mar '18 2:04:02 PM by TheHandle

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#16139: Mar 13th 2018 at 2:06:56 PM

[up] I love how he ends up shooting his own boss. I have the sad feeling that a similar case actually should have happened.

[down] It really counts as a twist? The entire joke is that there no twist.

edited 13th Mar '18 2:11:07 PM by KazuyaProta

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#16140: Mar 13th 2018 at 2:08:17 PM

[up] Don't give up the Twist Ending punchline, you'll ruin the surprise.

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#16141: Mar 13th 2018 at 4:23:21 PM

Because a again, a white person is just a citizen who just happen to have guns and being armed and being how there...is a perfectly normal thing to do.

Yeah, I know.....

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#16142: Mar 13th 2018 at 4:45:56 PM

[up] But if a black person do it, he is a THUG and if a brown person do it, he is a TERRORIST.

Dunno what with asian americans with guns. Sincerity Mode, I seriously dunno about them and guns.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#16143: Mar 13th 2018 at 4:53:00 PM

[up]there is not steriotype with them and guns.

Drugs? sure, being shady? yeah, drugs? but guns? not really.

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#16144: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:00:22 PM

Maybe yakuza and triad. Or Vietcong.

edited 13th Mar '18 5:00:43 PM by RAlexa21th

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#16145: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:13:33 PM

[up]The yakuza and triad is more about crime and being cary and alien by their asianess, the vietcome is more because they have super steath.....by being asian.

but guns? not that much.

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#16146: Mar 13th 2018 at 5:46:07 PM

I tbought some of you might find this interesting: Is This How Discrimination Ends?—"Trainings and workshops geared toward eliminating people’s hidden prejudices are all the rage—but many don’t work. Now the psychologist who made the case for "implicit bias" wants to cure it."

The researcher is quoted as saying: “There are a lot of people who are very sincere in their renunciation of prejudice,” she said. “Yet they are vulnerable to habits of mind. Intentions aren’t good enough."

"The woman, Patricia Devine, is a psychology professor and director of the Prejudice Lab. Thirty years ago, as a graduate student, she conducted a series of experiments that laid out the psychological case for implicit racial bias—the idea, broadly, is that it’s possible to act in prejudicial ways while sincerely rejecting prejudiced ideas. She demonstrated that even if people don’t believe racist stereotypes are true, those stereotypes, once absorbed, can influence people’s behavior without their awareness or intent."

The article describes the positive effects of a program of anti-prejudice training she has designed.

"...Devine and a small group of scientists have developed an approach to bias that actually seems to be working—a two-hour, semi-interactive presentation they’ve been testing and refining for years. They’ve created versions focused on race and versions focused on gender. They’ve tried it with students and faculty. Next, they’ll test it with police.

Their goal is to make people act less biased. So far, it’s working."

Here is a link to one of her studies

Thought you all might like some positive news for a change.

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#16147: Mar 13th 2018 at 8:04:57 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43385677

Initial investigation done by the UN on Facebook being used by ultranationalists in Myanmar to stir hatred against Rohingyas.

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#16148: Mar 13th 2018 at 8:26:23 PM

[up][up]That's excellent, hopefully it proves reliable and can be used. Because that sounds massively useful to be able to address the most insidious (and most likely common) form of bigotry.

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#16149: Mar 14th 2018 at 10:14:23 AM

[up][up][up]So what did the study entail? I'm trying to read it now but it's super dense and has all but lost me.

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#16150: Mar 14th 2018 at 6:24:15 PM

Two things I wanna share today:

Australia's getting criticism over comments that they can hand visas to South Africans of White origin over being discriminated due to land grabbing to appropriate it to Blacks and other ethnic S As despite not being a policy of Pretoria because they don't want history to repeat itself.

Just found out about this on BBC first thing in the morning.


https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/videos/threat-to-singapore-s-social-harmony-from-online-falsehoods-10043794

CNA in Singapore has a video news on the country's attempts to tackle false news, especially concerns that it can have racial/ethnic tensions in its society.

edited 14th Mar '18 6:42:26 PM by Ominae

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