Race- Privilege, Relations, Racism, etc.

Because those are citizen killing citizen and while sad, it dosent mean anything, this extreme individualization means things just sort of happen because....well, just because, is minority who are by instint or by in-group thinking

Is how sometimes liberalism said it isnt a ideology well some have enter into this post race world so early that they cant see race motivie crime.

Meh, your country have issue that it show to your face but a lot of people are fighting over it, here in latin america we have a look of apathy to even pretend to adress those issues, just ask Kayuza from peru(were they try to indult their freaking dictator) or here in venezuela(who is pretty much a damn hellhole thanks to our dictator) and how what true despair is.

If people think Canada has a better handle of racism, then buddy you would be dead wrong. Just ask the First Nation people as well, because they can tell you that Canada being a racist free safe haven is false. As one article said, Canada's history with black injustice is just as bad as America's.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/indigenous-health-care-bc-1.4573195

https://thetyee.ca/News/2018/03/07/Canada-Black-Lives-Matter/

Also it's not the Stand Your Ground laws is at fault. It's the faulty court system. If you actually look into other laws they are not always equally applied to everyone.

Also voting in Democrats won't make problems go away. Or places like California would be free of racial justice misconduct. Trump is inadequate, but saying this is because of Republicans is really false.

edited 13th Mar '18 8:15:19 AM by firewriter

Well it kinda is in a way, the republicans have relie more and more on dig whistel and coded talk for a while until Obama started using more progresive and left idea eventually create the fulcrum to Trump.

or to quote alfred in dark knight

"You spat on them, and in their desesperation they turn into a men they cant control"

But yeah I will said a lot of people here seen moving Canada as cash in for a while until the orange idiot go away.

I think people have too a naive, idealistic view of Canada, especially when it comes to racial relationships.

Also you can't blame Republicans for common Democratic strongholds that have racial injustice.

edited 13th Mar '18 8:23:10 AM by firewriter

Try? Sorry, but Fujimori is now free, and to makes matter worse, his party is still trying to remove our current president.

There some people who just cant be negociated.

Trump is practically a meme to us. Heck, some actually considerate him the Laser-Guided Karma from Operation Condor.

edited 13th Mar '18 8:40:35 AM by KazuyaProta

And yet the gringos complain because they have their first populist president since....ever.

Privilegios del primer mundo, supongo.

Sure but I can blame the republican to turn into cuckoo for coca puff now, Trump came and pretty much handle their ass on a platter, they can escape that now.

@Firewater: Yeah it still sucks up there. I didn't say it didn't, just sucks less the America.

@Wildcard

I do think that people seem to put the USA as having the worst race relations, but it's more like people hear more about them rather than Canada or other places. I mean declaring the USA is a third world country is basically not being knowledgeable the other messed up stuff that other developed countries do to their minorities.

Well, USA also dont have the issue of being too obsessed in their freedoms to put laws against hate speech.

I seriously think that a lot of USA issues can be traced to its obsession with FREEEEEEEEEEDOM

Considering Nazis roam our streets in organized groups and the president refuses to focus on protecting us from them, and ICE is acting as Trump's arrest team for the crime of being born in a foreign country and having your parents bring you here, it is accurate. Sure Russian treats it's minorities worse NOW, but you can bet that so many republicans wish to be like Russia and those types of countries that many will try. If you want proof just look at what Franklin Graham and many who millions of conservative Christians think of those places and you'll hear admiration.

Or rather, my freedom at the expense of others.

I mean, the point of Firewriter seems to be that USA is not the absolute worst.

But given that USA is the most influential, focusing on them makes sense.

That still counts in a absolute definition of freedom, especially in the Rugged Individualist way of the US, that is why I really get tired when I heard the word as a absolute positive.

edited 13th Mar '18 9:05:10 AM by KazuyaProta

Is more of "I want to have the freedom to do what I want, what happen afterward dosent matter"

Or, you that saying of "Your freedom to punch end where my face start?" they said is YOUR fault your face was there in the first place and their desire to punch is what it matter, is extreme focus on the desire aside from consequences.

The US is not the absolute worst. But compared to other rich and influential countries with GD Ps close to ours we are terrible.

@Wildcard

Neo-Nazi activity has been appearing in Europe as well, so it's not just an American thing now. Given the fact that they have been shown to be easily frightened, people have been doing their best to shut them down.

While Franklin Graham has foolishly supported Russia, a lot of evangelicals and other conservatives have actually become more critical of Russia due to how they are suppressing people. I actually haven't seen any Republicans actually admire Russia. It seems more like a Vocal Minority than a good percentage these days.

http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-russia-foreign-religion-crackdown-498551

Yeah in the developed world Japan may well be one of the few countries that is more racist than the US, Canada has issues with it comes to natives, but the US has that plus its issues with Hispanics and black people.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2017-08-17/are-canadians-less-racist-than-americans

As said before, Canadian's racial problems tend to be just as bad as Americas and despite the myth Canada did have slavery.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/why-an-ambitious-new-online-anti-hate-speech-law-is-backfiring-germany-1074232

While many hate speech laws are targeted at stamping out extreme views, cases like these show why hate speech laws can backfire badly.

edited 13th Mar '18 9:22:30 AM by firewriter

Sure Canada had slavery the same as the rest of the British Empire, but there’s a difference between that and the entrenched cultural racism against black people that became a defining part of the local culture in the southern US.

@ Silasw

https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2016/02/01/viola-desmond-was-canadas-rosa-parks.html

The history of Canada would disagree. They did have Jim Crow like laws that were enforced similar to how race relations were like in California. I actually heard Nova Scotia was the worst when it came to racial relations.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/canada-blacks

It's the difference between a slave society and a society with slaves. The American South was built on slavery to a degree Canada wasn't.

One thing I do find interesting in contrast with society with slaves and slave societies is the fact that the latter became more intertwined with African culture than those up North and Canada.

A slave society is horrible, but it's ironic those places that had more enshrined racial caste were more unknowingly influenced by their enslaved population.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/02/0205_030205_jubilee4_2.html

Is kinda expected, if blacks are in the bottom of the hierarchy, they are still on it. If blacks are slaves working away from the white people, their influence becomes less notorious,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/12/22/a-lot-of-southern-whites-are-a-little-bit-black/

For the icing on the cake, a lot of Southern Whites have some black ancestry in them.

@Fire Writer: Not to our level, and not with the support of the government. Plus with Germany shutting down Holocaust denial and they don't have parades of people marching for white supremacy like we do.

Also your second paragraph totally wrong. These aren't obscure people, Trump the republican and adored by Republican president Donald Trump based a large part of his campaign on how awesome it would be to ban Muslims from the country and how "all undocumented Hispanics are coming to take over America!" Bryan Fischer made the claim that we should bring back Sodomy laws, so many supported Roy Moore despite his hatred for minorities.

Plus if your looking for their love of specifically Russia, here you go: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-the-republican-right-found-allies-in-russia/2017/04/30/e2d83ff6-29d3-11e7-a616-d7c8a68c1a66_story.html

What point are you making @Wildcard? Because I think we're all aware the US has major issues, thankfully most people who care about them aren't willing to go to Canada so things have the potential to actually get better.