First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
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Again, the ability to not be interested in politics is a privilege.
It means your life and livelihood aren't threatened by them every single day like they are if you're extremely poor or a minority.
Oh really when?
Just want to clarify I don't think rap has "less music" than other genres, I don't like it because the melodies in the songs i've heard are mostly boring and repetitive to me (Though I do like "Get Got" by Death Grips, love that keyboard riff) I also dislike country music, "show-tune" music, and "bubblegum" pop, so i'm not just singling out rap. I do admit that disliking an entire genre is dismissive, given the sample size, but it doesn't always mean racism. If you hate rap because you don't like the music, or think the lyrics are misogynist/violent, that's not racist at all, but if you hate rap because you think it's "thug music" or such then yeah that's pretty racist.
Also, rock music's beginning wasn't just white. Little Richard was black, as was Chuck Berry, as was Fats Domino, and they broke down segregation barriers by allowing mixed-race audiences to see their shows.
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Rock n roll was pretty much started by black artists.
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Batman must be really upset then, he likes black.
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my girlfriend is poor and minority and she cant care less of a damn about politics, interest about politics have to do with Many things and to frame that as privilage is folly.
And that speaks for poor people and minorities in general how? I mean, just because 'one' person of a minority disagrees doesn't mean everyone else of their demographic disagrees too. They aren't representatives to their people.
because is a generalization that no interest in politics is a privilage about thing that dosent afect you especially when is poor people who dosent engage in politics, is a more complex issue.
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Let's rephrase: to be able to afford being apolitical requires privilege, a status quo that favours you and is unlikely to change. The underprivileged whose very lives (healthcare), futures (education), safety (law enforcement), livelihoods (employment, housing) depend on the Government's whim, before which they are defenseless...
Well, putting their heads in the sand and being fatalistic about it is an option, sure. Especially if your hard life leaves you with no energy to spare. But it's kind of dangerous.
"I don't like it because the melodies in the songs i've heard are mostly boring and repetitive to me (Though I do like "Get Got" by Death Grips, love that keyboard riff) I also dislike country music, "show-tune" music, and "bubblegum" pop,"
Hamilton ?
edited 4th Jun '17 3:58:03 AM by TheHandle
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Not to mention that in an ideal democracy there would be no such thing as an apolitical person since everyone would be invested in making sure the country is well managed. From rich to poor, big to small, majority or minority.
edited 4th Jun '17 10:04:57 AM by raziel365
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
being apolitical can be also have to be with having a distaste of political ambient which is fair, or thinking it cant change or any other reason.
Or a person could be apolitical because it know the people who represent it have the best interest at heart.....yeah, is not going to happen.
A procrastination in of itself
People often have weird definitions of what counts as "politics", you'll find that a lot of people insist that they don't care about politics but keep talking about political issues.
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Politics in itself is a very nebolus definition, what people said they dont want to get involed is in thing like parties, elector, campains and all "higher stuff" seen is fundamentally rotten, other just want a country that is stable for them and leave the rest to the higher up and so own.
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Unfortunately, you need those things since political diversity allows many points to be brought out from other angles and can be useful to reach a better way to run a country or to enforce a policy that might not be popular but is needed.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
Destroyer of Worlds
Basically it spells out that the idea that America will become majority-minority by the 2040's is flawed.
Simply put, the demographers have not taken into account how the perception of race is likely to change in the coming years. For example, whites are already seeing the descendants of some Asian and Latino immigrants as being similar to them. Consequently, whites treat them as white. This “whitening” process will only increase in the future.
Mistake No. 2 The census seems to have failed to anticipate the likelihood that the number of mixed-race people who see themselves as white will grow much more in the coming decades, primarily as a result of increasing Latino-white and Asian-white intermarriages. By the 2040s, when the children of these unions have become adults, a significant number will marry whites themselves and become parents — thereby further increasing the population seen as white and thus the white majority.
Mistake No. 3 The census forgot American history — specifically the long history of the whitening of populations previously labeled nonwhite. In the 18th century, when the first Swedish and German immigrants arrived here, Benjamin Franklin and others complained that their skin color was endangering Anglo-Saxon racial purity. A generation or two later, their descendants, now Americanized, looked perfectly Anglo-Saxon.
In the 19th century, the Irish, particularly poor ones, were described as black or swarthy, as were the equally poor Eastern and Southern European immigrants who followed. But by the 1960s, their grandchildren were called white ethnics.
The same whitening is now taking place among the descendants of Asian and light-skinned Latinos, particularly those already in the middle class. But native-born African-Americans, Afro-Caribbeans and African immigrants are still excluded.
edited 4th Jun '17 1:57:39 PM by MadSkillz
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Too quick. The conclusions are solid, but the pace required strikes me as rather dubious. Integration didn't happen that quickly back then.
I also wonder if it's correct to lump "Latino" into one large group. Cynically, I suspect that differences in skin colours will result in different outcomes.
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It said "some" Asian and Latinos, and I personally took that to be the unspoken distinction being made.
It depend, for us latino is a matter of place were you léave and culture more than skin color so for us a Black latíno who are more like US typical citizen is seen as just Black with latín acentry.
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re: rap:
I used to think it was an exaggeration, until I was in college and met a guy who was in international studies (all about not being racist and that stuff) talking about how nicki minaj "stereotyped" herself and how bad rap was, in between pipe smokes, and how it was sooo annoying people thought he was racist just because he thought they were terrible.
It definitely made me realize where that complaint came from.
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To be more detailed, the things that tend to be common for all the latin countries, and thus us latinos, are:
a) The use of a Romance language, more specifically an Iberian one since we have ties to Spain and Portugal and don't have much in common with the French culturally speaking (in fact, it's said we have a lot more of common ground with the Italians than the French).
b) A claim/descent to the original inhabitants of the American Continent like the Mexicas/Aztecs for Mexico or the Quechua/Incas for Peru, as well as a deep cultural heritage of the Iberian Kingdoms.
c) A concept of Racial and cultural Mixture called Mestizaje, which is the bedrock of the various distinct nationalities of the Latinamerican countries since this is includes not only the original Iberian and Amerindian contributions, but also the African and more recently the Asian ones, allowing a balance between new influences and traditional ones.
d) The deeply ingrained influence of the Catholic Church, both in religion and culture, to the point that it can be said that one can't imagine Latin America without the Catholic church.
edited 4th Jun '17 8:47:07 PM by raziel365
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
Destroyer of Worlds
Funnily enough, the term Latin America and Latino comes from the French specifically from when Napoleon III was trying to create a common identity between France and Hispanic America.
The latter, yes. The former, eeeeeh. It varies country to country. The people of Uruguay and Argentina don't claim descent from the Charrua.
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A Breitbart writer was sacked from Breitbart
for engaging in the site's bread and butter while being a woman being too racist.
Mc Hugh had ignited controversy on Saturday night when she wrote on Twitter that "there would be no deadly terror attacks in the U.K. if Muslims didn't live there."
"You're a real moron," actor Pej Vahdat replied.
"You're an Indian," shot back Mc Hugh, incorrectly identifying the ethnicity of Vahdat, who is Iranian-American.
Mc Hugh's comments prompted outrage from a number of her own colleagues. Breitbart employees who spoke to CNN Sunday characterized Mc Hugh's remarks as "appalling," "terrible," and "dumb."
Mc Hugh has a history of posting racially tinged remarks on social media. She once tweeted, "Mexicans wrecked Mexico & think invading the USA will magically cure them them of their retarded dysfunction. LOL." In other tweets, she was disparaging of other cultures and said, for example, "another Crusade would do a lot of good."
It was not clear if Ryan Saavedra, a Breitbart writer who called for the return of the crusades after the London terror attack, was also still with the company.
Emphasis mine.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
United Earth
Mc Hugh's comments prompted outrage from a number of her own colleagues. Breitbart employees who spoke to CNN Sunday characterized Mc Hugh's remarks as "appalling," "terrible," and "dumb."
You missed a few spots. I love racists who are also unskilled morons. They make things so much easier. The more sophisticated and eloquent kind... ugh...
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use political terms to describe, not insult
In one of the replies to his comment he also talks about the evolution of the chan boards and their origins as hives of white nationalism.
According to him, originally the racist epithets floating around was mostly just born of a desire to be edgy and flaunt societal norms for the sake of it. They hated white supremacists trying to preach on /b/ or whatever because it was just another group of people telling them how to think. However, "any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who will mistakenly believe they're in good company".
Or in other words, the edgelords became functionally indistinguishable from the actual de jure racists, and from my own personal experience as someone who associated with 4channers for a long time I think it's correct.
edited 13th Jun '17 3:40:34 PM by Draghinazzo
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O just not interest, as overall, not all people can be interest in poltics as whole.
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