First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
I have no doubt that there are rules in place, but the fact of the matter is, as I showed you on your request, in practice there are still people who are not treated as well as they could be, and it's impossible to persecute because it's done on a systematic level. Everyone does it, so no one realizes it's a problem.
Also, you don't have to "let someone die" to be a bad doctor. Not giving enough pain killer, assuming their own information is wrong, and yes, this can lead to someone dying indirectly.
edited 9th Dec '16 8:37:13 PM by MrAHR
Read my stories!Not intentionally letting them die, but they are less likely to give them the best treatment however unconsciously, ones beliefs effect ones actions.
edited 9th Dec '16 8:40:19 PM by phantom1
There's also just plain half-assing the surgery.
No. Complaining about the continued existence of the Ku Klux Klan is not "silly." Especially since they are currently threatening to become more relevant than they've been in decades.
Once again, you seem to be arguing with points that no one has made. Let's go back to the original point, with some added specificity and personalization: "I, a person of color, would not want to be treated by a medical professional who held racist beliefs."
What part of that statement is it that you take issue with? Where is the sticking point here?
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."Hell to tie back to antisemitism, there are plenty of biases that can leak in without intent. Say perceiving a creeper medicstion because you assume that the Jewish patient is a money grubber that will want to save money, or even the reverse, referring them for an expensive surgery because of an assumption that as they're Jewish they must have lots of money.
There's plenty of racist there and it's entirely possible for it to do harm, yet no intent is required.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranCadillac disavows casting call for 'neo-Nazi' character in brand ad
The casting notice, circulated on Twitter and Facebook, said an agency was looking for "any and all real alt-right thinkers/believers" and indicated the call was for a Cadillac advertisement to be filmed later this month.
The alt-right is a loose grouping characterized by a rejection of mainstream politics that includes neo-Nazis, white supremacists and anti-Semites. The alt-right came to the fore during the U.S. presidential election.
Cadillac officials said on Saturday the brand "did not authorize or approve a casting notice for an 'alt-right (neo-nazi)' role in a commercial. We unequivocally condemn the notice and are seeking immediate answers from our creative agency, production company and any casting companies involved."
The Cast Station, a casting service, on Saturday afternoon posted on its Facebook page that a casting notice "for an "alt-right" role in a Cadillac commercial was issued by mistake on Friday, Dec 9th. The notice was drafted by an employee, who was immediately terminated for her actions. Additionally an outside third party further altered the breakdown without our knowledge and posted it on social media. Cadillac unequivocally did not authorize this notice or anything like it, and we apologize to Cadillac for the ex-employee's actions."
The notice also called for "real current or retired military people," as well as "real Olympian runner/cyclist" and "real taxi driver." (here:large)
Another version of the casting call posted on social media described the planned "Cadillac - Real People" commercial as a "beautifully artistic spot that is capturing (sic) all walks of life in America. Standing together as a union. This is not meant to be offensive in any way. Just a representation of all sides."
(Reporting by Joe White; Editing by Matthew Lewis and David Gregorio)
Neo-Nazis, current service or former military and taxi drivers. Maybe they might have found all 3 in one person?
edited 11th Dec '16 12:18:08 AM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotYuck. You can bet there's going to be more of this crap going forward. The alt-Reich aren't just being normalized - they're being fetishized. "Young! Hip! Edgy! white supremacists Urbane!"
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."You know what I want? I want those big wartime posters everywhere again only we replace Hitler and generic Nazi goon with Bannon and alt right supporters.
Oh really when?I want that too - but do it, and see how long it takes for the person responsible to find themselves in a whole heap of trouble. Slander and libel charges at best - suddenly manhandled into a black windowless van at worst.
"We'll take the next chance, and the next, until we win, or the chances are spent."A black woman was accused of stealing — so this Victoria’s Secret kicked out all black customers
Then, she began to sob.
“I just, you’re kidding me,” she says, wiping tears, searching for words.
“I already didn’t need to be spending the money, but I’m like, you know — I’m going to treat myself . . . and I got to come down here and deal with this B.S.”
Houzah, 27, a traveling nurse from Calhoun County, Ala., detailed most of the experience — and the effect it had on her — in the Facebook Live post, which has been viewed more than a million times since Wednesday.
On Thursday she was shopping at Quintard Mall in Oxford, Ala. She wanted to get a pair of boyfriend sweatpants, and she thought about splurging on a T-shirt. Instead, she got insulted and kicked out because, she says, she’s the same race as a woman accused of a crime.
As Houzah was shopping, another black woman was caught shoplifting, she said.
Then, she said, the manager walked over to her and the only other black woman in the store and told them to leave.
On Houzah’s video, the manager can be heard telling the other black woman: “I just need y’all to go.” The mall’s security guards approached as well.
“She can’t tell us why, but we’re kicked out the store,” Houzah said on the video. “Because another black female gets caught stealing, me and the other black female here have to be affiliated, so we’re all put out.”
Houzah said she didn’t know either of the other black women at the store. None of the dozen or so white shoppers were asked to leave.
“You don’t want to be that person that feels like everybody’s racist, and I don’t feel like everybody’s racist,” she said after being kicked out, continuing the video from her car. “But we just happen to be three black people in Victoria’s Secret and we got to be together. She’s going to say you, you and you, get out. All y’all get out.”
In a statement, Victoria’s Secret said it had reached out to Houzah directly to “express our sincere apology.
“What happened at our store should not have happened and does not represent who we are or what we stand for. The store associate involved in this matter is no longer employed with the company. Victoria’s Secret is adamant that all customers regardless of race be treated with dignity and respect at all times.”
Daymon Ward, the mall’s general manager, told the Anniston Star that the mall was conducting its own investigation into the incident and was “committed to ensuring that all of our guests are treated with the utmost respect.”
On Thursday, Houzah returned to the store with a group of supporters, according to the Birmingham News. Employees apologized.
She told the newspaper she’d probably shop at her favorite store again, just not at the Oxford location.
“I’m a little more settled about it today,” she said Thursday. “I don’t want anything bad to happen to anyone. I mean, I can’t change who I am. I’m an African American female and I just want to be treated like everybody else.”
Although the good news is that the manager in question was sacked for it.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiotNow that's worth sacking someone over.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Yeah while it's still horrible that it happened cooperate seem to have been on top of this, an instant firing was a smart call on their part.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranOur reporting has uncovered an unexpected by-product of Spencer's notoriety - - a family and a community torn apart.
Spencer’s latest news-storm came last week when he spoke at Texas A & M, provoking heated confrontation and once-again, mentions of Montana - - and Whitefish specifically - - as his part-time home.
So, we went back to Whitefish - - and here's what we uncovered.
Richard Spencer was raised in Texas, but has been spending time in Whitefish for years with his family. His mother, Sherry Spencer, still lives in a beautiful home at Whitefish Mountain Resort. She also runs a business downtown, but perhaps not for long.
"Hail trump! Hail our people! Hail victory!" says Richard Spencer.
In a speech last month at the National Policy Institute's annual convention, the crowd's Nazi-like response rocketed Richard Spencer into the media stratosphere. But back here on Earth, and specifically in Whitefish, the war over Spencer's white nationalist views has locals fighting battles in the newspaper and on the street - - 22 Lupfer Avenue specifically.
It’s a new building in Whitefish's downtown historic district. First owned by Richard Spencer, and now owned by his mother, Sherry. There are vacation rentals on the top floor, businesses lease at street-level.
But Sherry says her son's political views - - and his detractors - - are forcing her to sell the property. In an email to us, Sherry says, "As painful as this is, I am exploring a potential sale of the building."
One of those detractors is Tanya Gersh, a prominent member of the community, who told me in an email: "She (Sherry) is profiting off of the people of the local community, all the while having facilitated Richard’s work spreading hate by letting him live and use her home address for his organization.”
Virginia’s state corporation commission still lists Sherry's home as the principle office location for Richard’s white nationalist organization, The National Policy Institute. And a dive into Sherry's Facebook page supports the fact that Richard has spent a substantial amount of time with his mother in Whitefish, snow skiing, water skiing, hiking, holidays. Sherry’s Facebook page also has photos of her son when he spoke at the Mencken Club's annual gathering in 2010, A group the Southern Poverty Law Center refers to as “A band of white nationalists and pseudo academic racists.” Pictures also show Sherry and her husband attending.
In Sherry's email to me, she says, "As parents, we deeply love our son, as we always will. We unequivocally do not agree with the extreme positions espoused by Richard."
She goes on to say, "We are stunned by the actions of Love Lives Here, an organization claiming to advocate tolerance and equal treatment of all citizens, yet coursing financial harm to many innocent parties."
Ina Albert, Love Lives Here co-founder, says, "I don't know what she's talking about. We don't cause financial harm to anybody."
Human rights group Love Lives Here has been vocally opposed to Richard Spencer's views, but its co-founder says she has no problem with Richard spending time, or his mother doing business in Whitefish.
"I don't know what he does when he comes here,” says Albert. “But that is not our problem with Richard Spencer. It is the national policy institute and what that stands for and our town being smeared by his philosophy."
Tanya says she does have a problem with it, though. She says, Sherry "Could address this by selling the building, making a donation to human rights efforts, and making a statement in opposition to white supremacist ideas spread by Richard."
One thing on which both Tanya and Sherry agree: The tenants at 22 Lupfer are stuck in the middle. The owner of Whitefish Aesthetics tells me her association with the building is destroying her business and she's moving out if Sherry doesn't sell it.
Sherry wrote to Tanya that, “Her son's actions have been a source of anguish within her family.”
It’s also been a source of contention in Whitefish. A letter to the editor of the Daily Interlake: "The mob rule reaction to Richard Spencer's mere existence in Whitefish reminds me of the old Frankenstein movies where the townspeople gathered with pitchforks and torches."
And: “This ‘group’ which is supposed to love all, only loves those who agree with them.”
A town divided, a mother torn, and a man whose mission is continuing to stir controversy on a national, and very local level.
Whitefish reminds me of the old Frankenstein movies where the townspeople gathered with pitchforks and torches.
That is unfair to Frankenstein, he actually had a heart.
Inter arma enim silent legesFrankenstein's monster also vowed to atone for his crimes at the end.
I assume "Tolerance of everything except intolerance" is a foreign concept to them.
People who hate nazis are the real fascists… deep as hell.
In other words, No, You.
Guess who's getting two death sentences! Dylan that's who!
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They do. They are.
In fact, black doctors may get disproportionally persecuted, though evidence seems inconclusive.
Again, there's a difference between holding someone in low esteem or otherwise being biased against them, and letting them die .
edited 9th Dec '16 8:36:21 PM by TheHandle
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.