[Official] Troper Tales Redesign and Rename

Banning is a possibility.

The spam invasion seems to be over, or at least I haven't seen any for a while. Eddie is the only one who knows what the current progress on the redesign is, though.

New idea: Don't put yourself as an example unless it's a roleplay or something. That should help emphasize the "anecdotal" aspect.

See TroperTales.Badass for an example.

edited 22nd Jun '11 4:02:29 PM by SpellBlade

Would it be acceptable if someone included themselves as an example but writes the example like they're using somebody else as an example?

Probably not, if you could tell.

edited 22nd Jun '11 4:05:55 PM by SpellBlade

That's a tad too extreme. Especially as many tropes are not necessarily selfindulgent.

^^^ Probably not, since that would still be talking about yourself, and really it'd just be evading the rules for the sake of being an attention whore.

Anyway, what Juan said. I think that rule should only be put on specific tropes, not Troper Tales as a whole.

edited 22nd Jun '11 4:13:41 PM by KrisMahai

Wait, why would we want examples from people's roleplays? That's self-indulgent and pointless, by definition...

Not necessarily so. Especially as roleplays are fiction.

Troper Tales are supposed to be for real-life examples.

^ A few different mods have said that Troper Tales are for unverifiable examples, including real life examples, tabletop game examples, and personal role playing examples (not online).

...In order to keep them off of the main pages, yes. But why should we have Tales from roleplays and tabletop sessions, at all? They're dull. Just make a rule against having them anywhere, period, and treat offenders as though they'd posted a Tale about their illegal porn collection.

edited 22nd Jun '11 7:34:01 PM by EnglishIvy

It seems entirely ridiculous. By now, I'd daresay that the objective of "keeping this stuff away from .Main" shouldn't be taken into consideration. We can easily delete them, if that's the case.

The reason we're keeping TT is because the community likes it.

As for the validity of the examples, I'd say that as long as they demonstrate a trope and follow the rules we establish, then it's a valid example and it pertains to the trope at hand.

edited 22nd Jun '11 7:37:45 PM by juancarlos

Saying that they're dull isn't a valid reason. Personally, I think some of them are funny, especially the ones pertaining to weird tropes.

edited 22nd Jun '11 7:38:36 PM by chihuahua0

English Ivy ...And playing a roleplay and having a trope occur to the cast is different and way more unholy than playing a theatre play and having a trop occur to the cast, how?

edited 22nd Jun '11 7:39:45 PM by SilentReverence

Not sure if I should answer that one.

@juancarlos: That was the rationale for establishing Troper Tales way back when. If the community, as you say, liked having them on the main pages, would the mods allow that?

@chihuahua: Please read TroperTales/Can't Argue With Elves, top to bottom, and tell me which ones you feel justify having the Troper Tales pages there.

@Silent Reverence: The play itself exists in media form, as it follows a script. A session of D&D does not exist in media form; it has core books, but that's about it.

edited 22nd Jun '11 7:47:30 PM by EnglishIvy

Except a play is shown to an audience, while roleplays are supposed to be private?

But still, RP examples are notable, but since they can't be verified by a fan, they go in Troper Tales.

One: Since when do we care about Notability?

Two: times have changed. A lot, Ivy. The situation that went by when you (Not we, I wasn't there) established that was incredibly different to hot it is now (We are aware of natter and are actively trying to eliminate, for starters)

Anyway, what I'm getting at is, that if it does follow the criteria that we've established for all T Ts before them, what's so wrong about it being an RP example?

@Ivy: How about this page?

I swore there was this one page with RP examples that I found quite funny. Something about when a player is away.

He has better debating skills than I.

edited 22nd Jun '11 7:51:36 PM by chihuahua0

@juancarlos: There Is No Such Thing As Notability is not absolute, particularly not when it butts up against the Troper Tales Guidelines.

It's something that occurred only in make-believe. It's not something from real life, it's not from an actual work. How is that notable?

@chihuahua: No, those are all really boring, sorry.

edited 22nd Jun '11 7:54:00 PM by EnglishIvy

Why do we care if an example is funny or not? Do we impose the same criteria on other, media-related examples? Not as far as I remember.

And this is an honest question, by the way. is it necessary for a TT entry to be a funny/entertaining one? And even so, how do you measure such a thing?

^Again, if it follows those guidelines, why should we care if it's "notable" or "interesting"?

edited 22nd Jun '11 7:54:39 PM by juancarlos

I don't see how "those are boring" is an argument for deleting only a certain part of Troper Tales. When I see it used by people advocating the deletion of the whole thing, I don't agree with them, but it at least seems internally consistent.

@Ivy: At least most of them aren't creepy, and most of the creepy ones aren't about real people.

I find your "boring" argument as valid as my "funny" argument, AKA, not valid.

A D&D session is notable. It's a story, experienced by a small group of people. Therefore, it's notable.

edited 22nd Jun '11 7:56:27 PM by chihuahua0

Yes. If not funny, then at least pertinent.

@chihuahua: You are entitled to your opinions.

edited 22nd Jun '11 7:57:01 PM by EnglishIvy

Boring is a subjective judgement, and the last I looked, boring wasn't a disqualifier for trope examples. We decided that RP examples were legit for Troper Tales a long time ago, and I haven't seen any convincing argument why we shouldn't keep them except for "they suck" or "it's boring". Notability is not the issue.