LGBTQ+ Rights and America

I just saw the headlines on that one crawl across my feeds. Fantastic news; it means that SCOTUS either doesn't want to issue a sweeping ruling or is satisfied that the federal circuits will eventually make gay marriage legal in all states without intervention.

That and enough of the right-wing Court doesn't want to dirty their hands with it. As if they rule anything on it any further, it'll probably drag them into political-cultural circuses they don't want to be dragged into.

That's certainly one problem. The clear weight of both the Constitution and lower court precedent is on the side of gay marriage rights, and I can't imagine that Scalia and the other conservative justices want to be publicly associated with making it legal across the entire U.S. Why, they might lose their membership at the Wealthy, Angry, Bigoted White Male Club.

edited 6th Oct '14 8:25:34 AM by Fighteer

Agreed, it's easier for them if they can claim it happened and there was nothing they could do about it. Reality having a liberal bias, full legalisation of gay marriage across the western world is inevitable. The more liberal US states are forcing the matter upon the conservative ones whether they like it or not, though until we see a true Deep Red state, like Arizona (any of the ones beginning with A really) there is still work to be done.

It is also better in the long run because these are the states saying it, basically, no one can claim SCOTUS forced them. It makes it easier for opponents to be shot down.

Along with that, states rights conservatives can't get the SCOTUS to force the states to illegalize gay marriage or look hypocritical.

Not that it hasn't stopped before, mind.

@Caissa: It's now legal in one state that starts with a T, and ends in "-exas."

While Texas isn't quite the reddest part of the country, it's the flagship state for right-wing nutcasery.

No, Texas' ban on same-sex marriage is still in place. It is not one of the states affected by this decision (unfortunately).

I stand corrected.

Yeah, if Texas' ban is affirmed, the Court will probably have to take the case. If all 50 states get it by the Circuit, then the Supreme Court can just shrug and say that it happened, and Scalia won't lose his Cranky Old Man status.

The guy defending the ban in court, Attorney General Greg Abbott, is running for governor on the Republican ticket. Looks like my state is in for another homophobic governor.

Yes it's better off that this is decided on a state level rather then pushed on from high. Marriage equality will (slowly) become the national wide even with out the big day in court it's supporters may of hoped for.

Not going to happen, though.

You don't think so?

The nutjob-dominated states are going have to be forced to legalize it kicking and screaming.

Yep.

It's getting to the point where it's hard to feel like anything is being accomplished. Because I know it won't change things here in the Deep South. The court decision may as well have happened in a foreign country.

It will take the federal appeals court to make it work here. It will be hard, but we will get it.

If you ever feel up to it, you can hide over here with me and we can hit up the LGBT festivals in Eureka Springs sometime.

Us prisoners of the south gotta stick together lest we lose our ever loving minds.

Well, that explains this then.

Cruz: Amend U.S. Constitution to Preserve Marriage Bans

If Cruz wants to take a dump on the Constitution so bad, why doesn't he just buy a copy and do it on his own time?

Better yet, if those opposed to equality really had a case, why didn't they do a better job of defending it than saying "the law must stand because reasons"?

edited 7th Oct '14 7:12:24 AM by Morgikit

Quote of the week, right there!

"But the constitution is sacred! You can't alter it!" At least that's what people would be saying if Obama proposed the reverse. Part of me feels like an amendment will come at some point but years later once all the states have overturned their bans.

It does seem to me like he's going "You're saying this is unconstitutional? Fine, we'll just change the Constitution then. Suck it."

That's exactly what he's saying. That's really all they have left. The Republicans picked the losing side on this issue but they're too deep in to back out now without losing a lot of support from the religious crowd. I just find it funny that if Obama and the Democrats proposed something similar they'd get called dirty communists that are perverting the constitution.

This is makes me happy.

Also, I'm pretty sure "The Constitution is sacred!" only comes up when someone talks about making changes to the Second Amendment.