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Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Mikon :3
#16951: Aug 11th 2014 at 12:16:22 PM

Never mind.

edited 11th Aug '14 12:46:13 PM by Morgikit

joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
Happy New Year!
#16952: Aug 11th 2014 at 10:55:04 PM

I reserve judgement until I see Philadelphia's Child protection department account of events.

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Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Mikon :3
#16953: Aug 12th 2014 at 2:21:02 AM

Seems a bit silly to reserve judgement when she's basically admitted to it.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#16955: Aug 12th 2014 at 3:11:23 AM

All that changes is that:

  • this judge specifically will look like a dick
  • this time it will be the gay side that appeals,
right?

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#16956: Aug 12th 2014 at 3:12:39 AM

That is not quite an accurate description of the article. His reasoning is that the Windsor precedent doesn't apply to states. And reading Windsor's Wikipedia page, he's right - that precedent applies only to federal law in states which already allow same-sex marriage.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
KnightofLsama Since: Sep, 2010
#16957: Aug 12th 2014 at 4:12:48 PM

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Actually from my understanding of the US's legal system that pretty much guarantees that this is going to the Supreme Court at some point. Resolving conflicting opinions in lower courts is one of their jobs.

Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#16959: Aug 18th 2014 at 7:12:42 AM

http://www.turnto10.com/story/26303320/gay-boys-rejected-organ-donation-reveals-outdated-fda-regulation

I knew sexually active gay men weren't allowed to be blood donors, but I had no idea about some stipulations with organ donations.

What hurts is they took his lungs, heart, liver, and kidneys but they wouldn't take his eyes? They took the organs that would be most susceptible to carrying any disease, but they didn't take the eyes on the chance he may have been sexually active...

Does anyone know where we are on getting this crap redetermined? I can't find anything substantial on the other side of my work's firewall.

I can understand if you're a grown man who was really active during the 70s or 80s being double tested or having that donation run through one more gambit just to be certain. But I don't see why they have to be banned altogether, especially younger people who have been properly educated and are safe and clean. If anything, we need them to donate more so hopefully we can catch people who may think they're healthy and just not be showing anything yet.

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#16960: Aug 18th 2014 at 7:22:15 AM

Methinks that these folks need to update their regs a bit faster. And in view of this and other data on HIV presence in the body, I want to ask what exactly whoever made up that regulation had drunk.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#16961: Aug 18th 2014 at 7:29:51 AM

Most were made in the late 80s and early 90s when people were contracting HIV/AIDS virus through things like blood transfusions.

It wasn't a massive amount of people who were infected like this, but enough fear mongering lead to a ban instead of making testing and treatment better.

To be fair, at the time we didn't have reliable methods of testing equally distributed across the country, so it would be possible for contamination to spread.

But this is the damn red cross in the year 2014. Most hospitals adhere to international red cross standards because they not only want to be safe, but they want the red cross's help and if you don't adhere to their standards, you don't get their grants, extra aid, or their blood.

So reform is slow growing but if the red cross changes their standards, that would open the door for a domino of other medical facilities to change theirs by default.

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Mikon :3
#16962: Aug 18th 2014 at 7:41:13 AM

I imagine any attempt to update regulations to fit reality would result in backlash and hostility from those who benefit from the current system (or think they do at least). It's just like DADT. When people see LGBT people making positive contribution to society, it's harder to demonize them.

joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#16963: Aug 19th 2014 at 7:59:54 AM

Honestly I think it's a matter of more culpability.

If you [the red cross] decide to relax health standards and there is a HIV outbreak, you're opening yourself up to litigation even if it was cause by unrelated factors.

I'm sure there's some social prejudice involved but I think overcautiousness to the point is the gutlessness is the main culprit.

If anything, we need them [younger people] to donate more so hopefully we can catch people who may think they're healthy and just not be showing anything yet.

But we don't have totally reliable tests even in 2014. A asymptomatic donor is still going to be an infection risk before detection. Saying we need more younger people people for donation for the possible added benefit of early detection strikes me as a rather underhanded and irresponsible tact considering that.

edited 19th Aug '14 8:04:25 AM by joeyjojo

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Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Mikon :3
#16964: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:09:47 AM

For one, AIDS has been an epidemic since the 80s. Second, you can just as easily get it from contaminated blood from a heterosexual. Odds are there are more straight people with the virus than gay people because there are more straight people period. So why pretend only gay men are carriers? It does not make anyone safer. In fact, it probably has killed many ignorant people who thought they were immune.

edited 19th Aug '14 8:10:16 AM by Morgikit

Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#16965: Aug 19th 2014 at 8:26:39 AM

Every major HIV test has a sensitivity rating between 92-99% The modern pregnancy test is just now getting the same figures.

85,000 deaths from HIV since the beginning of records were contracted from heterosexual sex, over 4000 alone came from 2010.

Most young people with HIV were born with it, not acquired it. Meaning that they couldn't help it. And they would know from birth they have it.

A person can begin to donate blood from age 16 with parental consent and 17 without it in some places. There is no evidence to show that it would be more trouble to allow gay men between 16 and 35 to give blood or donate all of their organs. I understand the concern of men older than that, but if they can prove themselves HIV free, then their blood is just as red as everyone else's and just as needed as everyone else's.

Many expert medical groups and reputable human rights groups have all given their seal of approval on opening the door to gay and bisexual donations.

this image is one of my favorites.

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#16966: Aug 21st 2014 at 5:11:08 PM

Florida's SSM ban just got ruled unconstitutional, though the judge stayed his own order pending appeal by the state.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/21/justice/florida-same-sex-marriage/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

That's 19 federal courts that have come to the same conclusion.

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
tryrar Since: Sep, 2010
#16967: Aug 22nd 2014 at 4:59:53 PM

Welp, once again, Queue Queen

edited 22nd Aug '14 5:00:19 PM by tryrar

BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#16968: Aug 26th 2014 at 7:44:25 PM

Obamacare helping out trans people. So there's another reason for conservatives to hate it. [tup]

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
tricksterson Never Trust from Behind you with an icepick Since: Apr, 2009 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Never Trust
#16969: Aug 30th 2014 at 4:12:39 PM

Michael Sam cut from Rams. But from all accounts he was given a fair shot and the parting is amicable.

Trump delenda est
NeonMoon Since: Oct, 2012
#16970: Aug 30th 2014 at 4:47:55 PM

He wasn't quite ready for prime time from a playing standpoint. That's okay. It happens often.

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Mikon :3
#16972: Sep 1st 2014 at 3:55:08 AM

Oi vey the comments.

"What's that? 'Shemale' is a transphobic slur? I think I'll use it exclusively to describe trans women from now on because being an asshole is my gawd-given right." You go right ahead there, Ru Paul.

Keybreak Since: Apr, 2010
#16973: Sep 1st 2014 at 4:20:32 AM

@Ach And Russia leads the world in consumption of anal sex porn!

Not necessarily gay, but it's still a subversion of that old Russian orthodoxy.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#16974: Sep 1st 2014 at 7:29:22 AM

The more you suppress it, the more it comes out in (ahem) back channels.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Keybreak Since: Apr, 2010
#16975: Sep 1st 2014 at 10:47:30 PM

After all the talk of same-sex marriage, I found this rather interesting article about discrimination toward the UN-married.

A notable point is that single people are looked over for married people in things like jobs, home renting, and auto insurance. Also, most people apparently look down on singles as "immature, insecure, self-centered, unhappy, lonely, and ugly."

It's probably those old feelings..."School! Marriage! Babies! School! Marriage! Babies! All in that order! Always and forever!"


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