Women are the more beautiful sex

Not to me. Women frequently have larger breasts and gigantic hips.:P

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I really think it has more to do with obnoxiousness of [1]s. Basically, people who think that Girl on Girl Is Hot aren't that likely to obsess over it

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Oh wow, I just thread hopped. I had no idea my response would be relevant, and we would be discussing androgyny and how hips and breasts are related to them.

I need to make a topic about androgyny, and how fatness is NOT particularly related to it. It sounds like.

Or maybe I can just feed this thread derail.

Are people seriously, seriously arguing that a woman being skinny makes her more androgynous? And that being "fatter" makes her more feminine? I suppose in a heterosexist society, that can be sort of affirming of bigger women, in a twisted sort of way. Maybe not. What about Beccabae? Her breasts are itty bitty. I hope most people who claim to like curvy women, are attracted body types like hers, as well.

edited 1st Jun '11 4:48:56 AM by Ukonkivi

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No, that was kashchei missing my actual point like whoa, and then derailing the thread further with moon logic. Skinniness or fatness on their own have zero to do with my intended point.

I don't especially like extremely fat women either; after looking up pics (or what I assume are pics), I find Beccabae unappealing for reasons entirely not related to the size of her breasts.

Plus I was deliberately trying to phrase my statement in a way that made it clear I wasn't trying to refer to super-buxom or perfect hourglass women, but that didn't work it seems.

I was going for trying to affirm women who are often called fat and cow-like just for having what is actually fairly healthy and normal-sized development/prominence of female secondary sexual characteristics, and other people twisted it in a way I absolutely did not remotely mean.

edited 1st Jun '11 9:11:08 AM by Jeysie

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It's not that far-fetched a statement. The different distributions of both body fat and muscle mass are considered secondary sex characteristics in humans, and in thin people, these differences become less prominent.

I find slim people of both genders to be the most attractive.

Neither. Humans are ugly. Tailless bipedalism just looks wrong.

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We are not the most aesthetically pleasing of mammals, I do agree.

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-Sigh- No, I did not mean that.

Just joking

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"No, that was kashchei missing my actual point like whoa, and then derailing the thread further with moon logic."

Your intended point has no bearing on the conversation unless it's lucidly expressed, and what you actually expressed was that women who aren't particularly curvy look prepubescent.

"The different distributions of both body fat and muscle mass are considered secondary sex characteristics in humans, and in thin people, these differences become less prominent."

As they do in the fat ones, and this is as morbid levels of either direction. For people who are in the healthy weight range - which can include both thin and thick - the difference is largely based on one's build. As an example, apart from the pictures I posted earlier showing girls a good forty pounds apart with the same hips-to-waist ratio, I have two cousins who are biological sisters a couple of years apart. Both are very tall, though one is thin and one is athletic. The athletic one is heavier, but the thinner one has bigger breasts and wider hips. It just seems like an incredibly unproductive generalization to make, since, even if there is a pattern, the exceptions are much too common.

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"Lucidly"? Why "lucidly"? If what you mean is "clearly" use clearly.

(Wouldn't normally point that out, but since it's specifically about speaking clearly I couldn't pass up the irony.)

I'm convinced that our modern day analogues to ancient scholars are comedians. -0dd1

I agree in retrospect my initial statement was ambiguous, but even after I explained what I really meant, you not only kept carrying on with the interpretation I already thoroughly explained wasn't the case, but added on even more bizarre interpretations.

...kind of like right now, for instance.

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Being androgynous definitely doesn't make you look young.

Perhaps we need a thread about androgyny.

edited 1st Jun '11 5:15:18 PM by Ukonkivi

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@ nzm Aesthetically. Aesthetically pleasing, not sexually.

Although I disagree. Humans look wierd, yeah, but a ballet dancer can be just as beautiful as a tiger or a eagle or whatever.

Be not afraid...

""Lucidly"? Why "lucidly"? If what you mean is "clearly" use clearly.

(Wouldn't normally point that out, but since it's specifically about speaking clearly I couldn't pass up the irony.)"

No, I meant lucidly, as in intelligibly and rationally. Next time, if another compulsion strikes you to voice that you know what I mean better than I myself do, keep it to yourself because this is a waste of my time and yours.

edited 1st Jun '11 7:29:11 PM by kashchei

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

Never mind going to just ninja your next post.

edited 1st Jun '11 7:37:47 PM by TheDeadMansLife

Please.

"I agree in retrospect my initial statement was ambiguous, but even after I explained what I really meant, you not only kept carrying on with the interpretation I already thoroughly explained wasn't the case, but added on even more bizarre interpretations."

You kept dragging weight into it, whereas I kept saying that weight has little bearing on the hips-to-weight ratio and such. If that is your thorough explanation, it only reinforces my "misinterpretation."

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

No, you kept dragging weight into it all on your own, thanks, so I was stuck having to deal with responding to the words you kept putting into my mouth.

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edited 1st Jun '11 8:23:18 PM by kashchei

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?

I would just like to say that, whatever anyone else has said.

Yes, children lack secondary sex characteristics. But the things that make them look young fall into the area of "neoteny", not androgyny. Androgyny is not neotenous. One problem our society has, is that neoteny is associated with femininity, when it shouldn't be.

Fatness does also not make a woman more feminine anymore than it makes a man feminine. Body fat is pretty neutral in what it does to make a person feminine and masculine. Wide hips are a bone structure, and women often do not gain larger breasts than men when putting on overall body fat. Murray Hill and Beccabae both have androgynous amount of breast size, despite both not being anywhere near the Hollywood ideal for skinny.

Would you consider Murray Hill to be feminine?

edited 1st Jun '11 8:26:03 PM by Ukonkivi

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@kashchei

Yes, I was referring to both the media's fetish for unnaturally skinny women (as in, dieted thin), and the mistaken impression the media puts forth that having moderately prominent breasts versus barely-prominent ones means you're "fat" even when you're actually not.

Nowhere at all did I say that normally skinny women always necessarily lack curves, or that fat women necessarily have curves. Or that skinny women were less feminine than fat women.

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Err, the media impression is unfortunately that Bigger Is Better.

It would be nice if this weren't the case, though. And I applaud it when media appraises smaller breasts, for a change.

Not that I've ever heard anyone in the media call large breasts "fat". But if they did, I'd probably laugh and go "that's awesome", the same way I would if someone in the media say a heavy woman with a good portion of body fat was "curvy" and a "real woman". Which I have done, and it's somewhat awesome, if do to the funny subversion of social expectations.

I wouldn't want large breasted women to actually be considered fat. But I have to say I would be amused to hear it instead of offended. "Look at that fat cow of a playboy bunny. She's got D cups!". *snicker*

Okay, okay, I'll admit. I want just a little revenge on Bigger Is Better. Just a little. Don't hate me for it. My cousin got breast enlargement surgery because she's felt ugly her whole life due to her small breasts. When she should have felt awesome and beautiful.

edited 1st Jun '11 9:05:42 PM by Ukonkivi

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