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BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#1: May 19th 2011 at 3:20:53 PM

In case this hasn't been posted before, the gender ratios in China and India are topping 1.2:1 boys:girls and are only getting worse. An article from the Economist goes into more detail about what's pushing the urge to kill baby girls before and after pregnancy. An excerpt:

In its detailed and extensive investigative report, the magazine opens its article with chilling force. A baby girl is born in China’s Shandong province. Chinese writer Xinran Xue, present for the birth, then hears a man’s voice respond to the sight of the newborn baby girl. “Useless thing,” he cried in disappointment. The witness then heard a plop in the slops pail. “To my absolute horror, I saw a tiny foot poking out of the pail. The midwife must have dropped that tiny baby alive into the slops pail!” When she tried to intervene she was restrained by police. An older woman simply explained to her, “Doing a baby girl is not a big thing around here.”

The number of dead and missing baby girls is astounding. In some Chinese provinces, there are more than 130 baby boys for every 100 baby girls. The culture places a premium value on sons, and girls are considered an economic drain. A Hindu saying conveys this prejudice: “Raising a daughter is like watering your neighbor’s garden.”

Midwives even charge more for the birth of a baby boy. But the preference for a boy rises with both economic power and the number of children born to a couple. The imbalance of boys to girls is no accident — it reflects a prejudice that runs throughout the societies where the abortion and killing of baby girls is considered both understandable and routine.

Add to this the widespread availability of ultrasound imaging services. Even though the governments of China and India have officially declared sex-selection abortions to be illegal, they persist by the millions. (And, interestingly, the magazine notes that Sweden actually legalized sex-selection abortions in 2009.)

This sentence from the investigative report is particularly horrifying: “In one hospital in Punjab, in northern India, the only girls born after a round of ultrasound scans had been mistakenly identified as boys, or else had a male twin.”

The social consequences of this imbalance are vast and uncorrectable. China and India now face the reality of millions of young men and boys who have absolutely no hope of a wife and family. In China, these young men are called guanggun or “broken branches.” Just consider this — the 30 to 40 million “broken branches” in China are about equal in number to the total number of all boys and young men in the United States.

These young men represent a looming disaster on the societal level. Young males commit the greatest number of criminal acts and acts of violence. Marriage has been the great taming institution for the social development of young males. Without prospect for marriage and a normal sex and family life, these multiple millions of unmarried young men are becoming a significant social challenge in China and India. Some observers even argue that this may lead to an increased militarism in the region.

Of course, the greatest disaster is personal for the young men and boys who face the future as “broken branches.” The parents who insist on having boys are dooming their own sons to lives of brokenness, frustration, and grief.

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pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#2: May 19th 2011 at 3:25:08 PM

So, you'll eventually end up with millons and millions of young Chinese males who have no chance to marry.

Soudns like a good source of cannon fodder.

I think it's an outgrowth of their one-child limit. I'd imagine that eventually, grandparents will start dying off and the population will start to fall again, if it hasn't already peaked. Then they can either continue this stupid policy of one-child limits, or open it up to two children in order to sustain the population, which will correct (eventually) the gender disparity.

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breadloaf Since: Oct, 2010
#3: May 19th 2011 at 3:29:13 PM

Well as the countries increase education, the problem will become mitigated but the process will take a long time.

Also policing is a serious problem. A good 800 million Chinese live in rural areas with little or corrupt police presence without good oversight. So even if someone did commit a crime (which btw is punishable by death) there's nobody to do anything about it. Urban areas have the police coverage but urbanites rarely employ such an attitude about boys/girls since there's no difference between the two.

Ironically, it was better under communism when the government guaranteed equal opportunities for women. But alas, way too many problems with communism that make it not worth it.

EDIT: Well I wouldn't call their one-child policy stupid because it's basically China taking the hit for the rest of the world. I have no idea what to call it really.

edited 19th May '11 3:30:02 PM by breadloaf

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#4: May 19th 2011 at 3:31:10 PM

I say it's stupid because of the infanticide that goes on. As a measure of population control, the policy itself is effective. I only dislike the side-effects.

edited 19th May '11 3:31:19 PM by pvtnum11

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TotemicHero No longer a forum herald from the next level Since: Dec, 2009
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#5: May 19th 2011 at 3:32:43 PM

I thought this thread would be about something along the lines of Frank Herbert's novel The White Plague.

That said, this will eventually kill the population growth in China, some 30-40 years down the line.

edited 19th May '11 3:33:17 PM by TotemicHero

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breadloaf Since: Oct, 2010
#6: May 19th 2011 at 3:33:39 PM

Well the infanticide happens in India as well, so I think it's more a function of lack of education and capitalism. They figure boys are worth more on the market than girls. It's idiotic. Previously in the agrarian areas, girls were just as useful as boys because everyone was an equal farm hand.

AllanAssiduity Since: Dec, 1969
#7: May 19th 2011 at 3:34:56 PM

One child laws are a sensible method of slowing down the exponential rates of reproduction in the world. If every couple tries to "keep the population aloft", we'll soon run out of space; the elderly are getting older and not dying, as yet more children are born.

A temporary limit of one-child-per-family, if it isn't rife with idiotic gendercide as mentioned above, is a good thing, as it means that the planet's population takes a temporary "lull" as the oldest generation ceases to live. If it becomes an issue (hint: it won't, for a while), repeal the law and reinstate when the population reaches a certain point. It's stable.

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I got ninja'd and it changed the entire goddamn meaning of my post >_<

edited 19th May '11 3:35:46 PM by AllanAssiduity

MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#8: May 19th 2011 at 3:37:14 PM

Communist China - redefining the phrase "sausage fest".

And by insane troll logic, the dirty commies killing girls = them damn dirty commies hate boobs and pussy. And that's terrible.

Forgive the above joke; sounded funnier in my head.

edited 19th May '11 3:38:33 PM by MarkVonLewis

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#9: May 19th 2011 at 5:51:03 PM

Sweden actually legalized sex-selection abortions in 2009

That's misleading. Sweden has allow abortion on demand since the 30s. It's a free country. How are you going police anti sex selection laws? arrested ultrasound technicians?

edited 19th May '11 6:41:28 PM by joeyjojo

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zoulza WHARRGARBL Since: Dec, 2010
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#10: May 19th 2011 at 6:05:14 PM

I was wondering how you'd enforce something like that too. Does Sweden have everyone seeking an abortion write up a short essay on why you think you deserve one, and only the best ones are chosen?

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#11: May 19th 2011 at 6:40:45 PM

I can't wait to see the shit-storm that will kick up when some one tries to sue for 'wrongful birth' because a doctors got the sex wrong.

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MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#12: May 19th 2011 at 6:57:46 PM

Dumbass Chinese killing baby girls... if anything the world needs more women; at least a 3:1 ratio of women to men.

joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#13: May 19th 2011 at 7:02:57 PM

Sex section is a touchy issue. I know there was controversy here in oz when it came out a couple aborted a pair of twins boys because they wanted a girl[1]

[up]we definitely need more chinese girls wink

edited 19th May '11 7:05:10 PM by joeyjojo

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#14: May 19th 2011 at 9:36:29 PM

Once I was looking up CIA Factbook info for the world's population. At the time, The world's population was almost exactly 50/50, except for the (5 million, or 5 hundred thousand, I can't remember) extra men in China.

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MarkVonLewis Since: Jun, 2010
#15: May 19th 2011 at 9:39:06 PM

Goddamn Chinese, they are ruining the ratio! The godless bastards.

Gaiseric Since: Jan, 2020
#17: May 19th 2011 at 9:52:01 PM

So, you'll eventually end up with millons and millions of young Chinese males who have no chance to marry.

or the creation of glorious man-harems

fanty Since: Dec, 2009
#18: May 19th 2011 at 11:11:10 PM

or the creation of glorious man-harems
This is an absolutely awesome idea. I totally volunteer to fix the problem by getting myself several Chinese husbands. Or Indian husbands.

edited 19th May '11 11:12:06 PM by fanty

TheStupidExclamationMark Orbs from In ur cupboard Since: Dec, 2009
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#19: May 19th 2011 at 11:33:48 PM

Polygamy, but with multiple husbands.

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PhilippeO Since: Oct, 2010
#20: May 19th 2011 at 11:38:02 PM

Chinese Gov should start subsidizing anime, Visual Novel, Internet and D&D. when 20% of male start thinking " real girl = not that interesting". Problem Solved.

TheDeadMansLife Lover of masks. Since: Nov, 2009
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#21: May 19th 2011 at 11:39:27 PM

This is kinda weird... So many old man balls in 50 years... So many...

Please.
joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#22: May 19th 2011 at 11:54:01 PM

I really didn't need that image.

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TheDeadMansLife Lover of masks. Since: Nov, 2009
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#23: May 19th 2011 at 11:57:18 PM

Look how they dangle out of their shorts at the beach. In 50 years.

GLORY!!

edited 19th May '11 11:58:48 PM by TheDeadMansLife

Please.
feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
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#24: May 20th 2011 at 12:49:55 AM

The guanggun remind me of the Lost Boys.

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AllanAssiduity Since: Dec, 1969
#25: May 20th 2011 at 2:11:04 AM

Well, that's it. I'm never sleeping again.


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