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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM
A procrastination in of itself
South Africa gave its up because the White government didn't want blacks to have nukes.
And MI 6/SIS is meant to be getting extra people, though it will probably take time to filter though.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
A nice butterfly
So, we take the history of past wars by doing the exact same thing that led to those wars? If what you learn from war is how to cause MORE wars, you didn't really learn anything from war.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
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No, Ukraine gave them up because they couldn't physically maintain them. Those nukes were getting hella old, and relied on a support infrastructure that required the full industrial might of the USSR (good old Soviet centralisation strikes again). Giving up the bomb wasn't to their advantage, but they really did not have a choice in the matter.
edited 1st Dec '15 6:27:26 AM by Iaculus
What's precedent ever done for us?
A procrastination in of itself
Oh true, Russia would have invaded and taken the nukes by force if it had to, and we'd have allowed it.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
A nice butterfly
More or less, how much does one need to spend just to keep a nuke...?
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
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Not sure they would have even bothered after a couple of decades' worth of decay. Basically, Ukraine was the front line of the Soviet Union's nuclear arsenal, with a massive network of hardened missile batteries loaded up with their most powerful, expensive weapons. That's a toy that's fantastic for a superpower, but Ukraine alone just did not have the technological know-how or resources to keep it running. Plus, a decade or so of neglect before the fall of the Iron Curtain meant that all that huge, hideously expensive hardware was due for a major overhaul, which Ukraine was even less capable of handling on its own - by that point, it would have been a major economic challenge for the Union itself, which is why they hadn't done it. If Putin had decided to take Ukraine, its arsenal would have been nothing more than weird, historically-interesting Soviet-era ruins by the time he got to it.
edited 1st Dec '15 6:36:09 AM by Iaculus
What's precedent ever done for us?
A procrastination in of itself
Sure but you can't leave shit like that unsecured, that's how a bunch of films start, with forgotten nukes in a long abandoned silo.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Field Marshal of Cracked
so... the Daily Heil is posting articles with derogatory, and I would say libellous, language without the permission of the subject... this hits quite close to home as she runs in the same convention/cosplay circles as me
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3340731/Woman-told-ugly-love-bares-facial-birthmark-candid-photos.html
A nice butterfly
"Candid" photos? is that SFW? :P
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Field Marshal of Cracked
well... by the Aryan standards of the Heil it's not :P but they have successfully pissed off a LOT of people with this, hits quite close to home
edited 1st Dec '15 7:27:45 AM by FieldMarshalFry
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Dreams of Revenge
Now I'm starting to think you're being deliberately obtuse.
To avoid derailing the thread, let us continue over here.
A procrastination in of itself
Anyone care to summarise the Heil link for me? I refuse to go to their site out of principle.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Dreams of Revenge
I just braved its depths, and here are two pertinent quotations:
However, she said that one day - 'I don't even know why' - she decided that she wasn't prepared to mask her face any more, and says 'it's never bothered me since'.
Good on her, IMO.
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Field Marshal of Cracked
"THIS WOMAN IS UGLY BECAUSE SHE HAS A BIRTHMARK ON HER FACE! actually she is not as the article is plagiarised" had to disable a blocker to get to it
A procrastination in of itself
Bloody Heil.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Field Marshal of Cracked
people on the MCM page are encouraging her to pursue legal action against them for publishing it without her permission, or try and do something trough the IPCC
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Field Marshal of Cracked
just wondering if anyone can give me some good links to prove the Mail has fascist leanings (and not "hurrah for the balcshirts, it was almost a century ago), I'm currently in an argument about it on another site and could do with some help 
A procrastination in of itself
A good show of the kind of shit the Mail pedals is the Daily Mail Song.[1] It's probably not technically Fascist anymore, but the sentiment and racist authoritarianism combined with massive hypocrisy is happily on show.
Though most of Richard Littlejohn's stuff would probably count as at least fascist adjacent.
edited 1st Dec '15 10:39:50 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS WITH ASBOS CAUSE CANCER.
edited 1st Dec '15 10:40:26 AM by Deadbeatloser22
"Yup. That tasted purple."
A procrastination in of itself
I think you're missing a "GAY EUROPEAN PEDO ... SENT BY BRUSSELS" in there.
I was searching for that myself. I did manage to find his Daily Mail Cancer Song though.[1]
edited 1st Dec '15 10:46:46 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Field Marshal of Cracked
not good enough, they want things that prove they support political violence and totalitarianism, otherwise it's just far, far, right, thanks for trying though
edited 1st Dec '15 10:55:56 AM by FieldMarshalFry
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A procrastination in of itself
Try digging up some stuff Littlejohn has written, he's normally pretty horrible and may well have at least one death on his hands.
Honestly though if they accept that the Mail is far fair right scum that quibbling over if it's technically Fascist or not is pointless.
edited 1st Dec '15 11:06:43 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Field Marshal of Cracked
it all came from an argument on if calling it the Daily Heil is Godwin's Law, I say it's fascist so it's not Godwin's, they say it's no so it is, THIS IS VERY SERIOUS STUFF!
edited 1st Dec '15 11:08:46 AM by FieldMarshalFry
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Pronounced YAK-you-luss
So did South Africa. Along with other WMD's.
By the way, did MI 6 boost their numbers after the Paris attacks? Heard something like that.
edited 1st Dec '15 6:24:02 AM by TerminusEst
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