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Recent political stuff:
- The vote to see if Britain should adopt Alternative Voting has failed.
- Lib Dems lose lots of councils and councillors, whilst Labour make the majority of the gains in England.
- The Scottish National Party do really well in the elections.
A link to the BBC politics page containing relevant information.
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM
Once again the Big Bad EU's totally unfair and repressive regulations make life harder for the UK. Why, that's right up there with bendy bananas!
Disgusted, but not surprisedTo be fair, the UK doesn't seem to really give a shit about the EU other than how they can use it and how it can be used.
edited 24th Jun '17 6:23:48 PM by kkhohoho
Doctor Who — Long Way Around: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13536044/1/Doctor-Who-Long-Way-AroundYou're mistaken. The Brexit campaign began on the 1st August 1961 with Macmillan's public announcement that the UK would apply for entry into the EEC. The controversy this generated resulted in the referendum on the 5th June 1975, the result of which led Wilson to announce the result as being the end of 14 years warfare over Europe and that now the anti-Europe elite must learn to work within the European system.
The anti-Europe elite not only refused, they took Wilson's comment as a challenge.
The Brexit campaign kicked off in 1961, hit high gear with Britain's entry in 1973, and went into overdrive in 1975.
Meanwhile, the Remain campaign began on the 20th February 2016 and kicked into high gear on the 16th April 2016 with the official start of the referendum campaign period. By then, the Brexit campaign already had 55 years worth of momentum and 43 years of active campaigning underneath its belt. From the 16th April 2016, it wasn't simply flying, it was soaring.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Ah. Sorry about that. Though I have to say, nearly all I know about British politics comes from Yes Minister, so I hope you can understand if I was less than knowledgeable in that particular subject.
Doctor Who — Long Way Around: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13536044/1/Doctor-Who-Long-Way-AroundThen that puts you in a similar position to most of our current Ministers.
Yes Minister was an exquisite piece of satire. Which of course had ramifications. Ever since that show became compulsory viewing for all people with an interest in politics, the civil service has found itself to be increasingly sidelined by the political class.
Perhaps some bubbles needed to be burst. But I know that some commentators believe that Yes Minister indirectly helped Thatcher in her 'efficiency drive'... as instead of an ideological attack on the state, it just became Sir Humphry finally getting what he deserved.
Which is strange, as Thatcher was a fan of the show.
Avatar SourceBrits’ bogus food poisoning claims leave hoteliers crying: ‘¡Basta!’
You'd think Britons' diet of hot pasties, strong tea, blood pudding, kippers, and chips would leave them with stronger stomachs.
edited 24th Jun '17 10:35:00 PM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedShe was a fan of the show. No fan of the civil service. Don't forget, the self-insert fan sketch ended with her firing Sir Humphery. (And all other government economists)
Emphasis on the hot. There is a reason our cuisine is lampooned as "boil it for three hours or until all the flavour has gone."
edited 25th Jun '17 12:24:06 AM by singularityshot
Any food poisoning is more likely to be down to water differences than anything.
Avatar SourceA rare exclusive interview with an intergalactic space lord at Glastonbury
The great Lord Buckethead offers words of wisdom concerning Brexit negotiations:
It is a sad day when the politician which makes the most sense is the guy with the silly name and the giant bucket on his head.
I want him in the Lords. Somebody needs to have "twit the system using solid mense" as part of their official mandate, dammit!
And, the Commons would have an apoplexy if he got in there. They take themselves too damned seriously.
edited 25th Jun '17 9:21:31 AM by Euodiachloris
Given some of the Lords that have made the news (like that one ex-Lord John Sewell caught using taxpayer money to indulge himself in cocaine and prostitutes while calling Asian ladies "whores"), Lord Buckethead would be a vast improvement.
Disgusted, but not surprisedLord Buckethead joining the House of Lords would be the single most compelling argument for its existence.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."That is sadly the norm for British politics; it's why the tradition exists and why the Monster Raving Loony Party has existed for decades.
Quarter of England’s rivers at risk of running dry, finds WWF
The driest October-to-March period for 20 years this year was followed by an extremely dry April and below average rainfall in May, and has left much of Britain with low river and groundwater levels and facing the possibility of drought. The information released to WWF by the Environment Agency shows that in such conditions 23% of England’s rivers could run dry. Further data shows that more than 550 rivers and lakes are in a poor ecological state because too much water is being taken from them.
The problem of over-abstraction of water is exacerbated by the fact that demand for water can double during spells of dry and hot weather, as crops and gardens need more water and people take more showers.
The Guardian revealed in May that, despite 20% of all piped water being lost to leaks, the level of leakage has not fallen for at least four years. In June, Thames Water was fined a maximum £8.5m for missing its leak reduction targets. Water waste rises to a third of all water taken from the natural environment when losses in treatment plants and in homes and businesses are included.
The government’s official advisers, the Committee on Climate Change (CCC), warned in 2016 that water shortages were one of the most serious impacts of global warming in Britain, with even modest temperature rises leading to “severe” water shortages in England.
Prof Ian Barker, from Water Policy International and an adviser to the OECD, said: “As the climate becomes more uncertain and extreme, and demand for water continues to rise, we need to find a better way to manage scarce water resources. But [UK] proposals to reform water management have been shelved.”
edited 25th Jun '17 9:30:17 AM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.If I remember his program correctly, though, he is anti House of Lords, because there is only one true Lord and that is him....
(The notable thing about his election promises is that they actually make a lot of sense if you remove the "I am an evil overlord" stuff.
edited 25th Jun '17 9:32:26 AM by Swanpride
Peston on Sunday gives Leadsom's call for patriotism a droll reply
Peston, who presents ITV’s Peston on Sunday, shared a picture of the studio, making light of Leadsom’s comments, which have come under fire.
Taking to Twitter, Preston wrote: “Shout out to @andrealeadsom: we’ve been listening to you! Look what we’ve done to Croissant Corner on @pestononsunday.”
Breaking news...
Sixty towers across England found to have unsafe cladding
Note, this number is probably going to keep rising since 600 tower blocks are supposed to be tested in totalnote , so the media seems to be reporting every new tally that comes out.
Javid's comment (the sentence I've placed in bold) seems to be indicating that there's so far a 100% failure rate. Perhaps the media can clarify that when further information is released.
There are concerns over the cladding used on the buildings after reports that the materials used on the Kensington tower block, in which at least 79 people are believed to have died, caused the fire to get out of control.
The number rose from 34 tower blocks across 17 local authorities. The announcement came after Sajid Javid, the communities secretary, revealed all of the buildings that have so far submitted cladding samples have failed combustibility tests.
More to follow...
Edited to add further information:
The towers deemed unsafe so far are in Manchester, Portsmouth and Sunderland, as well as in Norwich, Doncaster, Stockton-on-Tees and Plymouth and in seven London boroughs. They are Barnet, Brent and Camden, as well as Hounslow, Islington, Lambeth and Wandsworth. A further 11 areas, accounting for 27 of the unsafe buildings, have yet to be named.
Sunderland and Camden – where an entire estate housing about 4,000 people was being evacuated over the weekend – share the greatest number, with five towers each.
I've also found the article where it was confirmed that the first 34 buildings to submit for cladding tests all failed. It was published this morning, but covers yesterday's information, so is replaced by the article I've linked to above.
Camden evacuation refuseniks urged to go so fire safety work can start
The buildings are located in 17 local authorities across the country, including Manchester, Plymouth, Portsmouth and the London boroughs of Camden, Barnet, Brent and Hounslow.
edited 25th Jun '17 10:10:20 AM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.I loved how he brought up that the Queen's Speech was basically the Tory Manifesto stripped of nearly everything Tory-like, replaced with Labour policies, and BREXITBREXITBREXIT.
edited 25th Jun '17 10:24:55 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedCyber-attack on UK parliament: Russia is suspected culprit
Although the investigation is at an early stage and the identity of those responsible may prove impossible to establish with absolute certainty, Moscow is deemed the most likely culprit.
The disclosure follows the release of the first details of the “sustained” cyber-attack that began on Friday. Fewer than 90 email accounts belonging to parliamentarians are believed to have been hacked, a parliamentary spokesman said.
A security source said: “It was a brute force attack. It appears to have been state-sponsored.”
“The nature of cyber-attacks means it is notoriously difficult to attribute an incident to a specific actor.”
M Ps contacted by the Guardian said the immediate suspicion had fallen upon foreign governments such as Russia and North Korea, both of which have been accused of being behind hacking attempts in the UK before.
edited 25th Jun '17 4:21:54 PM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.What a surprise.
Avatar SourceYep, it's certainly a twist.
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.If it was for info, it was probably Russia. If it was for money, it was probably North Korea.
Disgusted, but not surprisedObligatory:
I would call this a surprise. I mean, what were they after? I would like to think that state secrets are not being shared by email ( and if they are that's on us). Tensions with Russia have simmered down of late as we've focused on our own politics. And attacks like these normally provoke a response, making it difficult to do again.
So again: why?
Parliament hit by cyber-attack
M Ps were reportedly informed about the hack on Friday night and later told of difficulties in accessing their emails away from the Westminster estate.
A Commons spokeswoman said the lack of email access was not a result of the cyber-attack itself but part of the steps being taken to manage the issue.
She said Parliamentary authorities were liaising with the National Cyber Security Centre. The spokeswoman said: "The Houses of Parliament have discovered unauthorised attempts to access parliamentary user accounts.
"We are continuing to investigate this incident and take further measures to secure the computer network..
"We have systems in place to protect member and staff accounts and are taking the necessary steps to protect our systems."
She added: "Parliament has disabled remote access to protect the network." A number of M Ps have confirmed to the BBC they are not able to access their parliamentary email accounts remotely.
It comes just over a month after 48 of England's NHS trusts were hit by a cyber-attack. The latest attack was publicly revealed by Liberal Democrat peer Lord Rennard on Twitter who had also asked his followers to send any "urgent messages" to him by text.
Henry Smith, Tory MP for Crawley, later tweeted: "Sorry no parliamentary email access today - we're under cyber attack from Kim Jong Un, (Vladimir) Putin or a kid in his mom's basement or something..."
The government's National Security Strategy said in 2015 that the threat from cyber-attacks from both organised crime and foreign intelligence agencies was one of the "most significant risks to UK interests".
The National Cyber Security Centre, which is part of intelligence agency GCHQ, started its operations in October last year.
The National Crime Agency said it was working with the NCSC but the centre was "leading the operational response".