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Recent political stuff:
- The vote to see if Britain should adopt Alternative Voting has failed.
- Lib Dems lose lots of councils and councillors, whilst Labour make the majority of the gains in England.
- The Scottish National Party do really well in the elections.
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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM
A couple of women proposed the idea to him and his response was to say that what he wanted was for there to be no harassment at all on trains, but if women did want to discuss the option of all-female train carriages as a possible solution, he was happy to propose the subject for serious discussion to see how many people feel that way.
It came out as him proposing all-female train carriages to fend off sexism, so that's what the media quoted.
Edited to add:
I've found more of the quote. I think what he's trying to do is follow up on something the CBI reported on last year.
But he hasn't worded himself as well as Fairbairn did. Corbyn said this on the same day that Owen Smith was involved in a sexism argument himself - Owen Smith Accused Of Wanting Women To Be ‘Seen But Not Heard’ After Joke About Nicola Sturgeon.
Corbyn's extended quote:
Carolyn Fairbank's quote:
Carolyn Fairbairn has claimed that these events ostracise female executives who have children, as they are less likely to stay and 'bond', instead preferring to go home and see their families. Talking to The Daily Mail, Fairbairn explains that this system makes many professional women uneasy.
She said: “I have noticed in my career that quite a lot of things that are set up around business life, that happen outside work, don’t include women that easily. One example that is quite obvious is the business dinner.
“A lot of women – and I was one of them, because I was bringing up three kids – just want to go home. And we wonder why business dinners are 95% men.
“I went to the Rugby World Cup final and I looked around and I could see the men thinking: 'How did she get in here?'
“A lot of the friendship building, the networks, the support that, frankly, becomes really important when you start getting to the top, are being formed in ways that exclude women.
“Here at the CBI I have said: 'Let’s have a look at other ways of doing things – can we have early evening events where we have a nice glass of wine and a nice presentation and then we all go home?' A lot of men would just like to go home as well.”
She went on to note the difficulties of balancing a family life with a successful career, explaining that she had to be “absolutely ruthless” about switching off from the office when she was at home.
Fairburn, a former Director at Lloyds Bank and Capita, went on to say although she is extremely proud of her achievements, the fact that it took CBI this long, 50 years, to recruit a women at the highest rung of the company is “a reflection of British business.”
Following Fairbairn’s remarks Enei Chief Executive Denise Keating commented: “The business dinner is a great example of corporate vanity creating barriers to inclusive workplaces. Corporate functions are almost always outside of the normal working day, and simply aren’t practical for parents to attend, whether male or female.
"However, due to the majority of the childcare burden falling on mothers, these events are particularly damaging to women, who face greater difficulties balancing work and home life, and correspondingly are at greater risk of being overlooked for promotion due to not being part of the work in-group.
“Employers currently have a huge deficit of women in senior management positions, and all too often the barriers to progression for women are factors which do not directly relate to their actual performance, whether this is part-time working, childcare commitments or not being part of the workplace social life.”
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jun 2nd 2022 at 2:33:11 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Looks like the PM's scaremongering again.
Brexit may bring difficult times, says Theresa May
Speaking to the Andrew Marr Show - in her first major interview since taking office - Mrs May warned Brexit would not be "plain sailing" for the UK.
She said formal EU talks will not begin until 2017, but vowed the process would not be "kicked into the long grass".
Mrs May also ruled out a snap election, saying the UK needs "stability".
The former home secretary became prime minister after David Cameron resigned in the wake of the EU referendum - with the Brexit process likely to dominate the first years of her premiership.
I thought we weren't allowed to suggest that the process was going to result in anything other than sugar, bunnies and rainbows?
"Yup. That tasted purple."
I thought we weren't meant to suggest that Brexit meant anything other than The End of the World as We Know It (with probably an Earth-Shattering Kaboom)?
Has Corbyn suggested Nationalisation of Rail Freight operators and Heritage Railways?
Keep Rolling OnPretty sure no-one's tried to shut down people suggesting it'll be good by just yelling about scaremongering.
G20 meeting: Obama tells May that US won't prioritise UK trade deal
Speaking at a joint press conference with May on Sunday ahead of the G20 meeting in China, the US president promised to work hard to stop “adverse effects” on the UK and US.
Obama raised the risk of some trading relations unraveling, but he assured the UK there was still a “very special relationship” between the two nations.
Looks like the "put the ideology before the people" runs even deeper.
Jeremy Hunt said ‘what will the Daily Mail say?’ when told about funding of HIV prevention drug
The High Court last month overturned NHS England’s claim that it did not have the power to fund the prescription of pre-exposure prophylaxis (Pr EP) pills to people at high risk of HIV infection.
NHS England is appealing the ruling, which sparked angry criticism from right-wing politicians and commentators – with some dubbing the new treatment a “lifestyle drug” and “promiscuity pill”, reported the Daily Mail.
That's true on both the Left and Right.
Keith Vaz to step down from Commons committee after Sunday Mirror sex claims
The Labour MP and former Europe minister, who has chaired the high-profile committee for nine years, apologised to his family for the distress caused and condemned the conduct of the Sunday Mirror as “deeply disturbing”.
Vaz’s committee is carrying out an inquiry into prostitution, focusing on whether “the balance in the burden of criminality should shift to those who pay for sex rather than those who sell it”. In July, it published an interim report saying it was not yet convinced that buying sex should be outlawed, but that soliciting by sex workers should be decriminalised.
In his statement to the Mail on Sunday about the Mirror story, Vaz reportedly said: “I am genuinely sorry for the hurt and distress that has been caused by my actions in particular to my wife and children. I will be informing the committee on Tuesday of my intention to stand aside from chairing the committee with immediate effect.”
According to the Sunday Mirror, which has illustrated its report with a picture showing Vaz with a man said to be one of the escorts, the MP met two eastern European male sex workers eight days ago in a flat he owns in north London.
According to the paper, Vaz asked one of the men in a text message sent before the encounter to bring poppers, the sex-enhancing drug used by gay men that the government came close to banning in a law passed this year.
Vaz argued in parliament that poppers should not be included in a list of substances banned by the Psychoactive Substances Act and in the paper he is quoted as telling the escorts that he did not use them himself.
Vaz, who reportedly told the men his name was Jim and that he was a washing machine salesman, is also quoted discussing with the men the possibility of obtaining cocaine for the next time they met, although Vaz reportedly said he would not want to take the drug himself.
The paper says two payments of £150 each were made into a bank account before the 27 August encounter after one of the escorts supplied the account details to Vaz.
According to the Mail on Sunday, although Vaz is standing aside as chair of the Commons home affairs committee, he wants to see how much support for him there is on the committee before making a decision about whether to resign fully.
A Labour party spokesman said Vaz had been elected chair of the committee and that his future on it was a matter for him and the Commons.
edited 4th Sep '16 3:58:28 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnExamples?
"Yup. That tasted purple."Nicola Sturgeon speaks about her miscarriage at 40
Scotland’s first minister, who has been the subject of relentless questioning and speculation throughout her career about her childlessness, said she hoped her honesty “might challenge some of the assumptions and judgments that are still made about women – especially in politics – who don’t have children”.
She tweeted on Sunday: “By allowing my own experience to be reported I hope, perhaps ironically, that I might contribute in a small way to a future climate in which these matters are respected as entirely personal – rather than pored over and speculated about as they are now.”
Sturgeon, 46, told author Mandy Rhodes that the loss of a child was not something she wanted to be defined by but that she was now prepared to discuss the circumstances because she did not want young girls who consider her a role model to conclude that she had deliberately sacrificed parenthood for success as a politician.
Interviewed by Rhodes for the book Scottish Leaders, serialised in the Sunday Times, Sturgeon said she hoped she would still have gone on to be first minister if she had had children.
“If the miscarriage hadn’t happened, would I be sitting here as first minister right now? It’s an unanswerable question. I just don’t know. I’ve thought about it, but I don’t know the answer. I’d like to think yes, because I could have shown that having a child wasn’t a barrier to all of this, but in truth I don’t know.
“Having a baby might have so fundamentally changed our lives that things would have taken a different path, but if somebody gave me the choice now to turn back the clock 20 years and say you can choose to start to think about this much earlier and have children, I’d take that. But if the price of that was not doing what I’ve gone on to do, I wouldn’t accept that, no.”
Theresa May’s honeymoon is masking her many vulnerabilities
She has so far defined herself more in words than deeds. Mrs May is a relatively blank canvas on which Tories of different persuasions can paint their hopes, their dreams and their fantasies. Trouble will start when she starts to put flesh on Mayism. We have had a couple of harbingers. One was the negative reaction to the decision to water down the government’s anti-obesity strategy. Another was the recent revelation that £3,150 will buy you into a “business day” at the Tory conference, Mrs May’s presence included in the price of the ticket. People make the point, no less potent for being obvious, that offering companies the chance to purchase access to the prime minister sits badly with her rhetorical flourishes about being on the side of the many, not “the privileged few”.
Labour’s travails are a mixed blessing for the Conservatives. A weak opposition encourages two dangerous traits of the Tory beast: arrogance and ill-discipline. When I recently suggested to one of Mrs May’s cabinet that the implosion of the Labour party was not good news for the Tories over the longer term because it would foment their own divisions, he replied: “I regret to say that I think you are completely accurate.”
edited 4th Sep '16 4:40:08 AM by Wyldchyld
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.In an unusual maneuver Japan gives an unprecedented warning to the UK over Brexit
Basically, they published a 15 page document detailing their concern over the Brexit negotiations. Japan generally isn't so public about these things, so it's probably meant to gain some form of leverage in the G20.
edited 4th Sep '16 5:35:10 AM by TerminusEst
Si Vis Pacem, Para PerkeleJapan tried the more diplomatic objection to Brexit before the referendum.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jun 2nd 2022 at 2:34:19 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.In layman's terms they're basically spelling out the "we consider access to the EU single market to be more important" angle.
"Yup. That tasted purple."No country is going to hurt their own trade prospects by propping up the UK (or the rump UK if that happens) because slightly over half of the British people voted against their own interests.
edited 4th Sep '16 5:56:34 AM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Yes, and they told us that before the referendum vote.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jun 2nd 2022 at 2:35:05 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Yes, but any time anyone suggested something like that would happen they'd get shouted down by people accusing them of scaremongering.
"Yup. That tasted purple."Experts were looking at a range of long-term economic scenarios.
As one economist put it, of course consumer spending would be fine in the short term. The victors aren't going to stop spending because they got the result they wanted, so they'll still be feeling confident. The key economic indicators tend to be long-term with lag effects, and the worst impacts wouldn't hit until after we were finally out, which hasn't happened yet (we haven't even triggered Article 50 yet).
The long-term indicators are looking very shaky. Short-term being okay right now isn't particularly weird. We're not really going to know the outcome for at least another decade.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jun 2nd 2022 at 2:36:11 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.Speaking of, May calls bullshit on Vote Leave promise of introduction of "points-based" immigration controls.
The Prime Minister said there is “no silver bullet” for tackling immigration and that it was not clear that a proposal for an Australian-style points based system, that formed the corner-stone of the Leave campaign’s referendum pitch, actually worked.
She also paved the way for allowing EU citizens preferential treatment in any Brexit deal, and would not commit to other key promises of the leave campaign - such as removing VAT on fuel or giving freed-up funds to the NHS.
In fairness, she cannot commit to the NHS funds figure that the Leave campaign promised because it was factually misleading.
I'll have to do some digging at a saner time of day, but I'm sure I've heard something about the value of the Australian system being questionable when studies have been done on its impact on immigration. It's possible May has a point here - she's right about there being no silver bullet at the very least.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Jun 2nd 2022 at 2:37:25 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.The Australian system bottlenecks immigrants into offshore concentration camps via extremely strict quotas. It's not something to be emulated.
What's precedent ever done for us?That has nothing whatsoever to do with the points system.
Australia's points system is just an adaptation of the Canadian system, intended to evaluate 'skilled migrants'. The offshore camps for asylum seekers are a late introduction to Australian policy largely created by PM Howard to save him from plummeting approval ratings during an election year. The camps have subsequently become congealed into the overall migration system because various swing seats in NSW and Queensland are terrified of them being removed.
In other words, the camps essentially function as a completely different system, introduced ad hoc during the desperation of a near election loss.
This is an oversimplification as well... here's a source with a more detailed explanation:
In Australia, the system only applies to some permanent skilled visas as part of an overall mix of skilled visas that include employer-sponsored, temporary work, and business visas.
In Canada, all skilled migrants are subjected to a points test – but any applicant with an offer of employment is immediately ranked higher than those without a job offer.
edited 5th Sep '16 3:45:52 AM by editerguy
Something might be going on with the Tube, just passed though Oxford Circus station and it seemed to be being evacuated. No idea why though, and my tube kept on going beyond it.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranSomeone probably hit the fire alarm.
"Yup. That tasted purple."The points system includes quotas on eligible professions - so, for instance, if you're an industrial engineer, you're SOL until places start opening again next year. That's a big part of the bottleneck that's resulted in these camps.
What's precedent ever done for us?Maybe I misunderstood what you meant. What camps are you referring to?
edited 5th Sep '16 4:42:30 AM by editerguy
I thought after-work drinks are for everyone who wish to partake in it, regardless of sex or gender. Why are they exactly sexist (haven't read the article, sorry)?