Zzzzzzzzzz
#2: May 5th 2011 at 4:24:40 PM
Please note: it doesn't say "the twist ending...". You said it yourself — "Chick's a dude" is a plot twist.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
SeanMurrayI
Since: Jan, 2010
#3: May 5th 2011 at 5:45:29 PM
The first is, as the laconic entry puts it "The spoiler is all that most people know about the show." The second, as the main description specifies at some length, and as the redirect All You Need To Know About The Crying Game suggests, is "A work's twist is its only notable feature."
These are different phenomena, and the may even be mutually exclusive.
Only I don't believe we define tropes by their redirects (or Laconic Wiki pages), making the conflict of terms and definitions that you speak of here completely non-existent, seeing that the issue raised isn't even about parts of the actual trope description.
We just have a sub-par, slightly misleading redirect. No need to be suggesting renames or page splits for the main article.
edited 5th May '11 5:51:18 PM by SeanMurrayI
MorganWick
(Elder Troper)
#4: May 6th 2011 at 11:37:05 PM
I'm not sure where they don't coincide. Spoilers are, pretty much by definition, twists.
Total posts: 4
This page covers two things. It shouldn't.
The first is, as the laconic entry puts it "The spoiler is all that most people know about the show." The second, as the main description specifies at some length, and as the redirect All You Need To Know About The Crying Game suggests, is "A work's twist is its only notable feature."
These are different phenomena, and the may even be mutually exclusive.
To see the difference, look no further that the trope namer. If obeys the first definition - as everyone knows, this is the movie where the chick is really a dude. Yet it doesn't obey the second. Because when you see the movie, you discover that "the chick" doesn't even appear for like the first hour. And then the movie continues for a full hour after she's revealed to be male - it's not a twist ending, it's just a plot twist.
These phenomena are especially distinct because examples of the first are notable chiefly when they don't follow the second. The reason it's remarkable that The Crying Game is known only as the "chick's a dude" movie is because it's more than that.
Split? Rename?
edited 5th May '11 3:58:45 PM by Routerie