Title, description & examples ALL mis-match each other (and are bad): Me Love You Long Time

Every trope have a title, a description, and a list of examples. These three should all match each other. In the case of Me Love You Long Time, however...

• The title fits neither the description nor the list of examples.
• The description fits neither the title nor the list of examples.
• The list of examples... well, you get the idea. ;-)

The title is a racist slur, a classic line commonly used to imply that all Asian women are whores. So, is the trope about racism and sexism against Asian women? Or about Asian women being portrayed as whores? Neither, according to the description.

The description can't really seem to make up it's mind about what it's really about. Most of it is good, but some stuff contradicts itself, is totally arbitrary and/or downright creepy. On the whole, the trope is about Asian women having western boyfriends, but the description is one big wiki schizophrienia debating with itself on whether or not this is an inherently evil thing, witha huge and totally illogical Calvin Ball style set of rules for what counts and what does not. Apparently, there has to be at least one Asian man in the cast for the trope to come into effect - thus implying that an Asian woman is somehow obliged to chose the man of her own race, if one is available. Since this isn't stated outright, no exception is made for her father.

Of course, the example list isn't very coherent. Some examples are based on the title, some are based on one part of the description, and yet others on another part of the description.

As a first hotfix, I'll try to start making a soft split between the stuff about racism/sexism and the stuff that is not.

The trope could be renamed Madama Butterfly Syndrome since the opera was the Trope Codifier.

No, I don't think it's the Trope Codifier.

Re: the OP, I thought we established in the Token Loli thread that finding a trope "creepy" is not a valid objection (Tropes Are Not Bad).

Added it as a redirect, along with Asian Gal with White Guy. While Madame Butterfly Syndrome is not inherently offencive like the main title, it has the same main problem although in the other direction: While Me Love You Long Time imply that the woman is to be considered a whore, Madame Butterfly Syndrome implies that the guy doesn't really care and will ruin her life. As such, each of them make a good Internal Subtrope.

I neither said nor meant that the trope itself is creepy. What I was talking about was a case of Wiki Schizophrenia: The page ranted against itself, parts of it also having racist and sexist undertones.

Plus the Fridge Logic that one arbitrary rule implied that if a western guy and her father is are the only men in the cast, then the Asian woman is somehow obliged to marry her father. I'm sure this implication was not intended, just bad writing.

This has all now been fixed: The title, description/definition and example list now all fit together to a reasonable degree, and the arbitrary stuff has been axed. But I'm sure we can improve it further.

Edit: LOL! I just realized we have an example of the Fridge Logic mentioned above. In Ken Park, there are only two Asians in the cast: A young woman and her father. He gets furious when she get into bed with a white guy. As retaliation, he beat up the guy and then force a "marriage" ceremony between himself and his daughter. OMG, I never got the point of that disturbing scene before now. Thanks TV Tropes!

edited 30th Apr '11 7:54:21 AM by Xzenu

With the current sliding scale, we can keep the example list as it is.

If we limit the trope to the top stages of the scale, we woud have to cut most of the examples. And that would be one can of worms: Not only does many examples fail to present details, there is also a huge YMMV factor: Some people seem to think that inter-racial relationships are inherently evil, and will judge relationships from that platform. One line in the old description implied that if a relationship is Asian Gal with White Guy, then their relationship is not at all about love unless they can prove that it is: Unless a solid "justification" is given, their relationship is automatically about racial fetishism... WTF?

Hmm, I think the Playing With page need some fine-tuning as well. Getting right on that.