The Western Animation version seems to have the most wiks pointing at it.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
It sounds like the real lead may have been buried, if whoever created this page actually created an entirely new page and then destroyed the existing pages into redirects.
However, if I'm misinterpreting the OP (and even if I am), the decision to move works pages into these namespaces even if there isn't a competing trope or work has already been made in another thread (in Wiki Talk I believe, Special Efforts if not).
edited 25th Apr '11 3:22:39 AM by MorganWick
shimaspawn, I checked and after this new page was created, somebody went through and changed all the links to the old pages to this new page. That's how I first noticed this, since I do not normally monitor the teen Titans page, when somebody eited the Batman The Animated Series page to direct to the new Western Animation header.
Morgan Wick, are you saying that it is official Wiki policy to use this new Western Animation header? If it is then I'll drop this objection, but I don't see why it would be, since we already have the Series/ header, and that creates an automatic link in the top menu of a page, and this new Western Animation header does not.
Okay, I just figured out how to edit a redirect, so I can now undo this page creation myself, however I'm going to hold off until I hear back from Morgan. I don't want to undo a change that turns out to be the correct change in the first place.
There's been a recent move to change the namespaces to match up with their category on trope pages.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
There has? That seems...unwise. I understand different links if you need to differentiate between separate versions of a work, but even if there's no overlap? Isn't that why we made the Series/ page in the first place, for the TV version of a work (The button that appears in the header of a page that connects to the Series/ page is even labeled as "TV")? What about when, as with this example, that creates a whole bunch of redirects that all link to the same page and are permanently on the top of each related page?
Grand Poobah of Crimestrikers
I'm the one who created both the Series/ and Western Animation/ redirects. The reason I did Series/ first is because I forgot that Western Animation/ was available as a namespace. My plan is to move all the links to "Main / Teen Titans" to the appropriate namespace (Western Animation/, Comics/) or subpage (Teen Titans Go, Teen Titans Trouble In Tokyo), then add Main/ to the Ambiguity Index, and eliminate the Series/ page once nothing links to it. Sorry for the confusion I caused.
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Grand Poobah of Crimestrikers
Oh, and I'd like to thank the people who are helping me make the Western Animation/ switchover. I really appreciate it!
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Grand Poobah of Crimestrikers
I see that someone has made "Main / Teen Titans" a redirect to the Western Animation namespace. Is ther any way to undo this? As I worte above, I think the Main/ page should be added to the Ambiguity Index.
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You can edit Main.Teen Titans from this URL: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TeenTitans?action=edit
The problem, and why I originally made this thread, is because it winds up with unnecessary redirects and a lack of connectivity from the relevant pages. With the page located at the Series/ header, if you are reading the WMG or YMMV page, there is a link right at the top to click to take you to the article about the cartoon version. As it is now, that link just redirects you to the WesternAnimation/. Now, I'll admit that me preferring the Series/ header is just personal, and the page isn't any worse for being at the WesternAnimation/, except that with a redirect the Series/ button is still at the top of the page. It says "hey, when you're done reading this Western Animation page, go look at this other page they have." It's a recursive link, it goes right back to the same page, and could put you for a loop.
If the Series/ page and its redirect are eventually deleted, as was mentioned, then there's no connection to the cartoon's page from any of the connected pages (WMG, YMMV, etc.). The buttons for those pages are there on this page, so you can click and leave this page, but there's no connection back. You need to go to the Main page and the links that are there, or do a search, etc.
Why not simply leave the cartoon page at the Series/ header, maybe even moving the page for the comic to Main, so that all the buttons are present and connect to the proper pages?
Grand Poobah of Crimestrikers
1. Somebody added Main/ Teen Titans to the Ambiguity Index. Thanks!
2. I've changed all of the Series/ Teen Titans links to Western Animation/ Teen Titans, except for three Just Bugs Me pages which I couldn't change because of the renaming to Headscratchers. Is there any way we can get rid of the Series/ redirect?
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Yes, put it on the Cut List. Or don't, I'll do it myself.
EDIT: Yes, these redirects "from namespace to namespace" are pretty bad (there was, for example, Series.Avatar which redirected to Avatar The Last Airbender which itself was already a redirect), but they're easy to correct (delete the wrong one, problem solved :D)
AFAIK, Series.Example Show is (now) used for Live-Action TV, while WesternAnimation.Example Show is for... well, you know. I'm pretty sure we're trying to create a button for all important namespaces so this bizarre "create a redirect in a wrong namespace just to create a link at the top of the page"-nonsense finally ends.
edited 27th Jun '11 6:01:06 AM by Grobi
Grand Poobah of Crimestrikers
I just cutlisted Series / Teen Titans.
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Well, it's cut now. Can we lock this - or did we forget something?
Sometime in the recent past, somebody created a new page for the cartoon TV series based on Comicbook/TeenTitans. This page already existed at Series/TeenTitans and at TeenTitans itself. A page at either one of those links is fine, and the other page should have been made into a redirect, however instead somebody made a new page at WesternAnimation/TeenTitans, and made both TeenTitans and Series/TeenTitans into a redirect. To my knowledge, Western Animation is not currently used as a work header, and if it is that is only to differentiate it from a similar titled work in another format. Since there is no other TV series named Teen Titans, there is no reason to create a new page with this header, especially since it aleady existed at the Series/ and Main/ pages. Additionally, both Main/ and Series/ pages have automatc links generated at the top of related pages (YMMV, Trivia, WMG, etc.) to help you navigate around the various pages related to a specific work. Now, not only has this new page creation made two redirects at the header of all Teen Titans related pages, but when browsing those related pages there is no direct link to the primary page itself, since you need to be redirected through either the Main/ or Series/ links.
As I said, this new page should not exist, the article should be either at Main/TeenTitans, as the primary work associated with the name, or Series/TeenTitans, as the TV adaptation of the work. I would have made this correction edit myself, but both those pages have aleady been re-written into redirects, and I do not know how to edit a page that is aleady a redirect, since it redirects me to the new page without being able to edit the redirect. Whoever does know how, please delete the redirect from one of these pages and restore it to its prior statu as a page for this work, and then make the other page (As well as this new page, WesternAnimation/TeenTitans) a redirect to that page.
edited 24th Apr '11 8:28:52 PM by JBK405