Named after a work (Götterdämmerung):: Gotterdammerung

Götterdämmerung is the last of the cycle of four operas titled Der Ring Des Nibelungen by Richard Wagner. From what I gather, we apparantly don't like work-named tropes.

edited 10th Apr '11 11:06:12 PM by Ghilz

I was wondering when someone would try to rename this again. For the record, Götterdämmerung has also gained the English meaning of "Any cataclysmic downfall or momentous, apocalyptic event, especially of a regime or an institution."—a definition that matches The End of the World as We Know It more than this trope.

I'm obviously in favor of a rename.

edited 10th Apr '11 11:13:28 PM by Ironeye

Twilight of the Gods might work from the page description.

Wouldn't Ragnarok be the best name for this?

Ok nvm its a work I have never heard of...

edited 10th Apr '11 11:17:35 PM by Raso

The trope isn't about Ragnarok in any case so it's not a good name. That's an end of the world scenario. This is more about a time period after a gradual fading.

It's a preexisting English term and not an especially obscure one.

Technically the game is named after the mythological concept, but I'd prefer something more descriptive.

The End Of The Age Of Myths? It's kinda long. Makes a good redirect at least.

The End Of Myths?

As Ironeye said, the term is associated with a DIFFERENT TROPE. Most use of the term refer to the End of the World, not just the end of an age.

edited 10th Apr '11 11:21:57 PM by Ghilz

True, but it's not a pre-existing term for this trope. It's a pre-existing term for a completely different trope.

edited 10th Apr '11 11:21:24 PM by shimaspawn

Edit: Redundant.

edited 10th Apr '11 11:21:58 PM by Ironeye

Ah. Well, then, fair enough.

The Magic Has Faded? Here There Were Dragons?

Oh, seems that one is taken.

edited 10th Apr '11 11:23:11 PM by Arha

The Magic Has Faded sounds like The Magic Goes Away

edited 10th Apr '11 11:24:03 PM by Ghilz

I was thinking of that when I brought it up. I like my title, personally. Faded means it is lesser, but it isn't necessarily gone.

Why does Gotterdammerung have such a long rambling description anyway? It assumes you know what the trope is talking about from the first sentence and then continues on to discuss stuff that might be interesting but is more or less irrelevant.

edited 10th Apr '11 11:26:06 PM by Arha

Maybe translate it? "Twilight of the Gods?"

I can agree with that, but I believe this may cause confusion with the average troper

edited 10th Apr '11 11:26:23 PM by Ghilz

I'm not sure it will cause confusion because it's in the past tense. It already happened. The Magic Goes Away is present tense, so it's something going on in the present.

That's what I suggested earlier.

I think The Magic Fades is far too close to The Magic Goes Away. It sounds like the same trope but a little slower. That's not really this trope. A lot of time in The Magic Goes Away the magic actually fades over the course of a year or month but is completely gone by the end.

edited 10th Apr '11 11:27:56 PM by shimaspawn

Yes agreed... I was 100% confused on this I thought it was literally just Ragnarok not after Ragnarok. The End Of The Age Of Magic?

The Age When Magic Fades?

edited 10th Apr '11 11:29:00 PM by Raso

Hrrrm, Twilight of the Gods ain't bad, though again, may lead to believing that this only has to do with gods dying, while it's more about the end of a golden/legendary/mythic age and the beginning of a decline.

End Of The Golden Age?

I didn't say The Magic Fades, I said The Magic Has Faded.

I like (The) End Of The Golden Age. It's mostly acccurate and to the point.

edited 10th Apr '11 11:30:37 PM by Ghilz

Which sounds like a redirect for The Magic Goes Away where it happened in the past, which is still covered by The Magic Goes Away.

End Of The Golden Age is far too broad and makes me think of the world going Darker and Edgier. Not entering a twilight. Like when The Golden Age Of Comic Books ended.

edited 10th Apr '11 11:32:17 PM by shimaspawn

The Fall Of Zeal in Chrono Trigger is probably the biggest example of this I can think of. Hmmm something based off that?

Well, obviously people don't like it. I'm not a huge fan of it either, so I won't keep pushing. Just didn't like the arguments used against it.

Anyway, can we also clear up the description? I don't think that stuff about the history of the idea of progress and stuff is necessary. I think it'd be more useful to expand the actual definition a little.