Justice League

with robin...yeah, he still the goofy sidekick, I depend a lot of what robin you are taking: people now Jason todd was dead, that damian is the little ball of hate and tim drake is fun one.

" "What's her damage? What's broken about her that makes her want to be a vigilante?" Basically, "What daddy issues can I exploit? How can I make her Buffy?""

I think this is more joss tendecy with castin disfuntion, "I decide to be a superhero because is good" dosent really roll well with bat family who are define by tragedy.

When 99 percent of people say Robin, they're referring to Dick Grayson. In fact there's still a good number of people who are unaware there is more than one Robin.

As often as Robin in the Golden and Silver Age was put in peril for Batman to save him, he also frequently showed himself to be a hyper-competent crime fighter in his own right. He saved Batman nearly as often as he was saved by him. People who like to make jokes about "Robin the Boy Hostage" like to conveniently forget any stories that don't conform to their narrative. Pretty much like most folks who snark about comics characters.

Much like the "Aquaman sucks!" meme coming from Super Friends, I reckon a lot of that stems from the dominant pop culture image of Robin being from either the 60's Adam West show or the two Joel Schumacher movies.

I think a well done and competent take on the character would work.

She doesn't really have a tragic backstory though, right? I only know her origin from the animated series in the 90s and I can't remember if it was she was bored or if Gordon was being targeted for like the hundredth time. She always seemed Buffy enough.

Robin's appearances in movies are either parody, widely despised, or both.

I think Chris O'Donnell's version could have been good, if Schumacher had actually wanted to treat the characters like characters. I kinda liked him in Batman Forever, but didn't care for him at all in Batman and Robin (but then, I didn't like much at all about Batman and Robin).

In Batman: The Animated Series, Barbara became Batgirl because her father was threatened. Originally, in the comics, I think she became Batgirl simply because she was bored (boredom and thrill-seeking never make for good super-hero origins, in my opinion). Later takes on her made it clear that she was inspired by Batman, and her father, to be a super-hero. Whedon (like a lot of folks) doesn't seem able to wrap his head around the idea that a person can endeavor to do heroic things out of positive inspiration, or at least doesn't think he can build an interesting story from such an inspiration; in the classic Batman story "To Kill a Legend," for instance, Batman saves the lives of the Thomas and Martha Wayne of a parallel Earth, which inspires that world's Bruce Wayne to become Batman out of "awe, mystery, and gratitude." I sincerely hope Whedon doesn't have an issue with the fact that Barbara is a woman inspired to action primarily by the examples of two men.

edited 15th Sep '17 10:52:18 AM by Robbery

Is more that "I want to be hero to be good" is very uncomon, even more in this day were tragedy is what motivate people to superheroic, even more in bat family who core member is create by tragedy.

Robin's not mocked the same way as Aquaman from Superfriends, but he is still subject to a lot of humor to his existence. I just saw a joke picture of Bruce comforting the girl outside Wayne Financial in BVS and calling her Robin, when she insists that isn't her name. Tiny Toon Adventures had Bat Duck and his sidekick Decoy wearing a red, green and white target on his chest (written by Paul Dini, no less). In some ways that makes Robin more popular as fun, audience surrogate character.

Regarding the new Barry Allen picture, when we originally saw his lair I thought it looked unnecessarily busy, much like some sets in a Michael Bay movie. But looking carefully, Barry has a lot of technical jargon and gear, with a dozen monitors, two different laptops and some dry erase boards. This actually makes sense, as Barry can process information so quickly he would be easily bored with a simpler set-up, and a short attention span would make him move from one thing to another often.

To me that just helps set her apart from the sea of characters whose lives were ruled by tragedy. It's the same reason I disliked the modern retcon of Barry Allen becoming a hero because he was traumatized by witnessing the murder of his mom. He was already a cop in his original origin story, indicating he had a desire to help people and/or stop criminals. Needing to say "He only does this because his mom was violently killed in front of him" always struck me as redundant.

edited 15th Sep '17 11:11:03 AM by comicwriter

The best solution to a bad reputation is exposure - the kind that a lot of people would experience, like, a movie, but popular tv shows work too - and a lot of characters don't get enough of it.

The Nightwing movie, if good, should do Dick a decent turn, at least. That is, if they don't literally treat it like "when I was a kid, I was a total joke" in the movie itself.

Part of Robin's continued reputation woes is that the other Robins, let alone them interacting with each other, barely get any actual exposure. Tim - one of the best characters attached to the name - was only the replacement Robin in the DCAU and a background Robin in Young Justice. Damian has an obscure film series that follows him, but it's not widely known about. Jason has a great movie attached to him, but it's also obscure.

Meanwhile, in live action film - many of which are made by people who haven't experienced the characters since the Silver Age - we get 'a guy who happens to be named Robin,' which just goes to show how ultimately people know Robin more as an idea in their heads than as a character.

people like the guy behind robin that actually robin, kinda like how Logan is cool but wolverine is too comic book, people respect more the individual chararter than the suit.

In the minds of the vast majority of the public, Robin is still Dick Grayson, and will remain so until DC commits to its being someone else. That means if, for instance, they want Robin to be Tim Drake, then Tim must be Robin in every presentation of the character, and present a Batman whose Robin is Tim Drake. This could create a bit of a problem accounting for Nightwing, and assuaging Nightwing fans who want Dick's time as Robin to be remembered, respected, and acknowledged (or at least, it's a problem in the minds of the folks who decide these things). So far the only Robin other than Dick to get significant play outside of the comics is Damian, and he's an ugly little troll of an ass.

Personally, I wouldn't mind terribly if they wanted to age-regress Dick and make him Robin again. I wouldn't mind it if he was Nightwing and someone else was Robin. What I'd like, though, is there not to be 5 people with claims to the Robin title floating around. The Batman family is getting a mite convoluted.

I use to have that issue with batgirl and bat woman: the name are so similar it dosent really show how they are diferent, unless they go with barbara-as-oracle

is what happen when you share chararter so similar.

When asked if Nightwing will feature Haly's Circus:

I wonder if that means they plan to show his origin in flashbacks or just allude to it. As McKay said there's a lot of interesting fodder here since a Kid Hero growing to adulthood is not something a lot of superhero films have done before.

Rumors!

• The Batman might start shooting next summer.
• Justice League might have more than one Green Lantern.

Both seem plausible. What makes most sense for Green Lantern is that there will be one during the history lesson, and we'll meet the new human lantern but he won't actually take part of the battle. With everything the movie is trying to fit in, explaining the premise and skillset of a Lantern in the film will be too much. Similar to the secret footage in BVS, they could introduce elements of the character, with references to lanterns as protectors, and show the new lantern about to receive their ring after the climax.

Yeah, I could see it as showing the Lanterns as galactic protectors during the "history lesson," and then maybe showing Hal or John getting their ring in a post-credits scene or something.

John, for the love of God, please. If I never see Hal again it won't come soon enough.

Or, and I know this definitely won't be the case unless an actual miracle happens, Jessica Cruz.

edited 17th Sep '17 11:21:42 AM by TheAirman

Isn't the proposed GL movie basically Training Day?

Here's an idea (that I know won't happen, because I thought of it): Hal Jordan was Earth's first Green Lantern, chosen in the classic way (wounded Abin Sur, crash landing on Earth, Hal's a test pilot, etc). But he bacame Green Lantern in the mid-50's, and has been off defending the rest of the space sector (the majority of it that doesn't contain Earth) for the past 60 + years. Now he's old and dying, so he passes the ring on to the new candidate, John Stewart.

From what WB has said, though, they want to do Green Lantern as a buddy cop film with both Hal and John. So we'll see what shakes out.

Your idea could work if Alan Scott were used in place of Hal.

But Alan is a different kind of Lantern.

Well it wouldn't be the first time an adaptation changed things.

I think it works just fine with Hal. Alan is not, and never has been, a member of the Green Lantern Corps in any version of him to date (as far as I know).

My favorite solution would be to just combine Hal and John into one character, make him an African-American ex-marine pilot turned commercial test pilot named Hal Jordan. A lot of folks I've floated that idea to don't like it because it's essentially a race-lift, but I personally think it solves all the problems (I'd cut it down to one Lantern per Space Sector, too; I could stretch a point to have a single alternate, but having, like, 5 active Green Lanterns in a Space Sector seems a bit much—"one riot, one ranger" after all). Making John an ex-Marine is a recent development (originally, he was an architect with no military background at all, just like Guy Gardner was a gym teacher). But then, I'd make Hawkman black, too, and keep the reincarnated Egyptian prince origin rather than the Hawks From Space origin.

edited 17th Sep '17 1:55:30 PM by Robbery