Man of Steel. Nolan Superman Reboot.

Doomsday, huh? He's possibly the most boring villain possible.

Doomsday huh? This should be hilarious.

Not yet, but I've heard good things about it.

You know, I'm beginning to think that there isn't a script or even a plan for this movie yet, and they're just announcing random names periodically to see how the fans react, and planning to write the script around whatever creates the most fervor.

You should, it is pretty great.

That... would not surprise me actually.

Seriously, though, Doomsday's like Bane, it's third movie material, not second.

So Darkseid, who is actually significantly stronger then Doomsday at full power, is only second movie material?

No, Darkseid is Justice League material.

The only thing stupider than having Doomsday when he's barely Superman is having Doomsday BEFORE HE'S SUPERMAN.

Oh wait...

edited 14th Mar '14 9:08:45 AM by SonOfSharknado

Darkseid never killed Superman, as far as we know. Also, Darkseid isn't a Superman villain so much as a Justice League villain.

The point about Doomsday killing Superman suddenly makes me think he's "movie immediately after first Justice League" material.

Going off the Marvel Cinematic Universe's model of "phases", I would call him an immediate Phase II villain, with the Death of Superman in the climactic throwdown with Doomsday setting the stage for Phase II, and Superman's return being a major plot point of Justice League II.

edited 14th Mar '14 9:11:53 AM by TobiasDrake

Ah... Thor 2. So beautiful and yet so filler-ish. I saw a lot of similarities between the art concepts for the dark elves and those for the Kryptonians in MOS. ¿Do we have common names in the credits?

Did anyone even read that article? they are still saying Cranston is going to be Luthor, doesn't seem very reliable.

Cranston's kinda old to be Luthor. But I can totally see it working. Luthor is basically Walter "Heisenberg" White with an unkillable Arch-Enemy. I can easily see Bald Cranston scaring the shit out of everyone with those growls of his.

Instead, He decided to go with being a main character for this years Godzilla.

Makes this clip from Malcolm In The Middle so much more hjilarious to watch:

No, I mean that an actor for Luthor has already been announced, and it's not Cranston.

Y'all check the date on that Doomsday article? It's from mid-January.

I only saw the 2014, couldn't find the full date.

January 11th.

Ok, I gotta say it, the people who hate that Supes killed Zod aren't angry at the logic of that scene, they're angry that Snyder and Goyer decided to put him into a situation where he had to kill. Some would argue that Mking Superman, one of the few remaining "pure" comic book characters kill, is just depressing.

But that's still stupid. Superman wasn't like FUCK YEAH, MURDER! It was much more of an "Oh God, I had to take a life! What have I done??" sort of thing.

Must... resist... shilling... fic...

Are we still debating that scene? Aren't all the arguments on the table already?

^ You're presumably not new to the intarwebz, you should know the answer to your first question.

edited 14th Jul '14 4:29:32 PM by Nohbody

Goyer and Snyder actually said that in the earlier drafts they were ready to end the movie with all the bad guys, including Zod, banished to the Phantom Zone but found it to be just too clean of a climax. From a creative standpoint they wanted something more confrontational and taxing to the hero, and they worked with DC Comics themselves in devising how Superman would eventually kill Zod.

Comics!Superman has also killed and attempted to kill many different villains over the years (not just the early years either), the movie was just the first to put it in such a public view. Others have pointed out that Superman seemingly killed Zod in Superman II (deleted scenes show them being recovered alive) and it was done in a very casual manner, not address the emotional difficulty of what he did at all.

While the actual kill was controversial, most everyone agrees the fight itself was the big Superman battle fans had been hoping for. You take that out of the movie and it would feel a lot more empty.

Remember in Superman 2 where Superman just kills a powerless Zod?

The hero was forced to commit a sort of genocide by destroying birthing matrix and with it the chance to resurrect the Kryptonian race. This act was the culmination of all the mentions of the theme established in the first scene about Kal-el having the ability to choose the future of his people. It consolidates the hero's relationship to humanity and costs him a personal sacrifice. In many ways, it is the point of the film. But they had to skip merrily past that to shoehorn in this other bone of contention which has little to no groundwork and which is promptly discarded in the next scene.

There's a difference between destroying an unusable artificial womb, and killing someone with your own hands. And how much time was between the Metropolis and dropping the drone in front of the General?