Is it even worth starting threads related to abortion at all?

Wait, is it possible for a depressed person to fall under the "insane" category in a court of law?

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

@Signed: It might have been, I can't quite remember how it turned out in the end. Its been too long.

Nemo enim fere saltat sobrius, nisi forte insanit Deviantart.

One disappointing thing is that not once do the debates ever rail towards BENEFITS that would happen if both sides had their way..."stem cells" vs. "another precious little miracle ready to be adopted at the orphanage"*

...or "woman being able to get a degree" vs. "a shining happy mother who is glad she kept her miracle condom breaker"..."advance in abortion techniques" vs. "less incentive to have sex"*

^{I'll think of a better one later}

edited 2nd Apr '11 12:07:38 AM by Signed

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

I'd necro an unlocked abortion thread if I knew of any.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.

Just search for "abortion" in the "search forum titles" at the bottom of the page.

edited 2nd Apr '11 12:17:54 AM by Usht

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

Take your pic...

The one starting with republicans or "bad kind" of abortions were the big twos...

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

Signed, try clicking your own link and see that it brings up every forum topic title. Copying the address doesn't work, you need to do the searching yourself.

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

Oh, that's nifty. Hmm. This can stay the meta thread, then?

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.

^^ Dang, I was hoping it'll go to the list of abortion threads...stupid forums.

"Every opinion that isn't mine is subjected to Your Mileage May Vary."

I'm a bit mystified as to why that link brings me to Conversation titles containing "Heroes", TBH.

Nemo enim fere saltat sobrius, nisi forte insanit Deviantart.

Wonder, that is a pretty horrible line of reasoning. You don't blame the physically disabled for being unable to "walk properly" so why should you blame the mentally ill from being able to "act properly".

I know we should keep this meta, but in this particular case I see no reason why the good of ANYONE involved is served by this court action.

Dude what the hell, how can you even get that from "It's not like this poor gal had any reasonable choice in the matter. Her brain chemistry was all fucked up."? This isn't "a pass for grown adults to do whatever they want", it is "This person is currently experiencing a mental disorder along with a rush of hormones, creating a highly imbalanced mental state. They may be compelled to do extremely unadvisable things they would not do under normal circumstances. Therefore, if they end up doing something illegal, they should be given psychiatric care, not jail time." Really, such people should be getting said care regardless, but sometimes nobody who might care is around to notice until something bad happens.

edited 2nd Apr '11 1:43:26 AM by Matrix

So should I respond to the article here or in other thread?

The other thread.

As Anyonym mentioned, and I've said in other threads, this is an issue where the hate words are baked into the issue itself, and it's basically impossible to separate them.

It's also often reduced to a proxy war about contraception and sexuality as well.

Finally, it's a culture war issue. And the point about the whole culture war thing isn't always about progress in your desired direction, it's about the glory of the war. I akin it to trolling, to be honest. It's something that makes any sort of compromise and agreement basically impossible.

Democracy is the process in which we determine the government that we deserve

(sigh) Could we at least agree that inmpoving sex education, research into 100% effective means of contraception and/or ways to support fetus outside of woman's body at the earliest stage (artificial womb of something like that) would solve the problem without trampling anyone's rights?. Now, I know that is is currently unavailable, but why not divert funds used for abortion-related campaigns to sponsor research and development of 100% contraception methods or ways to enable fetus survival without using females?

edited 2nd Apr '11 9:24:58 AM by Beholderess

If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common

We need artificial wombs, nationalized child care, and free abortions for all. The last two where I live we don't have, but supposedly other countries do. Anyway, we should disconnect sex and reproduction completely.

EDIT: Of course we should have free contraceptives and sterilization. I knew I was missing something, thanks.

edited 2nd Apr '11 8:11:35 PM by LoveHappiness

"Had Mother Nature been a real parent, she would have been in jail for child abuse and murder." -Nick Bostrom

Abort, Retry, Fail?

"That said, as I've mentioned before, apart from the helmet, he's not exactly bad looking, if a bit...blood-drenched." - juancarlos

Love, why not just get all tubes twisted then?

The thing about making witty signature lines is that it first needs to actually be witty.

That would be an excellent bandaid solution, as far as bandaid solutions go. Not forcing it on people, of course, but allowing for free and reversible sterilization operations for anyone who wanted them. Unfortunately social inertia will probably make it impossible to implement - social conservatives would see it as giving people free passes on sexual misconduct and an attack on families, and insecure men would feel it an attack on their masculinity as well as a sign of unequal treatment (since the female equivalent operation is far less practical).

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.

Because permanent sterilisation is not allowed in my country until I am at least is and had at least 1 child. And non-permanent is still not 100% proof. Can you say "reducing woman to a breeding machine?"

If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common

That's exactly what I've been thinking. The fun part is:

• the pro-choicers will whine that there is a kid, as opposed to no kid (infringement on the control over one's reproduction, and the overpopulation scare)
• the pro-lifers will whine that there is no pregnancy, as opposed to a pregnancy (here do I see less of a direct right-to-life issue, but given what tend to be the co-issues for pro-lifers, there's going to be a fuss over the supposed invitation to promiscuity and supposed dehumanisation of pregnancy)

"Atheism is the religion whose followers are easiest to troll"

"Wonder, that is a pretty horrible line of reasoning. You don't blame the physically disabled for being unable to "walk properly" so why should you blame the mentally ill from being able to "act properly"."

"Dude what the hell, how can you even get that from "It's not like this poor gal had any reasonable choice in the matter. Her brain chemistry was all fucked up."? This isn't "a pass for grown adults to do whatever they want", it is "This person is currently experiencing a mental disorder along with a rush of hormones, creating a highly imbalanced mental state. They may be compelled to do extremely unadvisable things they would not do under normal circumstances. Therefore, if they end up doing something illegal, they should be given psychiatric care, not jail time." Really, such people should be getting said care regardless, but sometimes nobody who might care is around to notice until something bad happens. "

There is no comparison between this woman's ability to control her actions and a cripple's inability to walk. Clinical depression does not render one incapable of reasoning. It does not interfere with reasoning ability at all. It disrupts emotional equilibrium. A clinically depressed person is still perfectly capable of distinguishing right from wrong, and still responsible for their own actions.

If she were mentally retarded, suffering from dimensia, or otherwise rendered incapable of reasoning, then she would not be responsible for her actions. That is not the case.

Wrong thread, since we are supposed to take it elsewhere, my apoligise.

edited 2nd Apr '11 1:17:47 PM by JosefBugman

OP: To quote Engineer, "Nope."