Brave

Death by Origin Story seems more accurate, yeah.

As I said earlier, if you slap such a broad definition on Stuffed in the Fridge it becomes almost meaningless.

"I did...but I think that Pixar shouldn't have tried to do a Disney movie in the first place. It is not their forte. They should leave that to Disney. They are the experts. "

Brenda Chapman had been a storyboard artist and a head of story on quite a few Disney movies and Irene Mecchi was a screenwriter of The Lion King, among few other Disney movies.

Yes, but a movie isn't made by just one person and the moment they started to create it under the Pixar Label, everyone expected something different, more Pixar-like. But that doesn't work. You either do a DP movie, or you do a "quirky ideas with quirky characters which somehow goes together to something great" movie.

(Btw, didn't chapman work on Aladdin? It's a little bit funny that Merida is so similar to Jasmine).

Merida is NOTHING LIKE Jasmine! Perish the Thought!

Yeah; Jasmine actually had a likable personality, for one.

we get it, you don't like Merida. let's not drag that old business up again.

Man.To think this movie failed harder than Studio 60 On The Sunset Strip.

Yes, this was a thought worth resurrecting the thread for.

Actually I was going to compare it to Frozen and stuff. But I was tired and didnt want to do it.

What are you basing that conclusion on?

An average episode of Studio 60 had 8.5 million viewers. Brave made $538,983,207 in the box office, which—assuming based on my local theaters $9 a ticket—means 59,887,023 people went to see it. So seven times as many people saw Brave than Studio 60.

edited 4th Jan '14 4:47:22 AM by Wackd

Its a Pixar Film ,it IS going to make money, I meant critically more than monetarily.

But Yeah. I was kind of stupid to bump this thread just to say that.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I think there is similarity between Merida and Jasmine. Not only does neither of them want to be married but they both only think of themselves and what they want in the moment. Jasmine says that she wants to not be a princess and runs away but then she tells the guards to "unhand him by order of the princess" and tells Jafar that when she's queen she'll have the power to get rid of him. At least Merida has her skill with the bow.

True...but Jasmine is also one of my least favourite DP's, for exactly that reason. The one reason she is above Merida is the fact that she never tried to poison her father. Jasmine has the excuse though that she is not the main character of Aladdin, Aladdin is, so he gets to do all the good stuff.

I don't think that's necessarily inconsistent behavior on Jasmine's part. Running away clearly wasn't working out for her, so she figured as long as she was princess with its attendant obligations, she might as well make good use of the perks too. What was she supposed to do—just mutely let the guards drag away her friend on a trumped-up charge? I actually admire her for using the authority her status confers on her. Most princesses in Disney movies (not the same as Disney Princesses, obviously) are either unaware of their position or too nicety-nice-nice to actually use it.

Mr Wackd.

You shouldnt use an average to compare, use the max number of viewers of Studio 60 instead.

Why? You really think there's a single episode of Studio 60, let alone any TV show ever, that got 59 million viewers?

edited 23rd Jan '14 8:59:01 PM by Wackd

You do know that Brave played in countries other that the USA? So that 9 dollar thingy is a silly comparison at best.

And I do believe 52 million people could have watched Studio 60. Its a SHOW that's on TV people around the world do count. At least according to your standards. Because If you exclude people outside the USA so can I.

Also on the "NO TV SHOW CAN HAVE 55 MILLION VIEWERS"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodbye,_Farewell_and_Amen

edited 23rd Jan '14 10:02:18 PM by PrettyCoco

To me Brave's biggest problem is that it feels like a Disney Princess movie without the songs. In many respects it felt like Disney and Pixar switched places from where they were a few years prior.

IT actually feels for me like someone was trying to do a Disney Princess movie without really understanding what they are about - which I guess, reading the interviews with Chapman, is kind of what happened.

Yes, at a time when there was about five networks. Nothing but the Super Bowl has ever gotten that many again.

Was Studio 60 distributed worldwide? In which countries? What ratings did they get there? I don't have this data, so I can't do anything with it. I can stack Brave's international gross against Studio 60's domestic viewership, though, because those numbers I have. It'd be incredibly unfair, but I could.

You want to deal in hypotheticals, fine, but "52 million people could have watched Studio 60" isn't actually a meaningful statistic. 52 million people could also have set their heads on fire. So what?

Ok you are right.

@swanpride

What are the Disney princesses about, again? Besides selling merchandise, I mean?

http://swanpride.wordpress.com/2013/12/07/honoring-the-heroines-about-the-disney-princesses/

Everyone who confuses the movie with the merchandise is really missing something big.