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math792d Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#7901: Sep 13th 2017 at 4:17:28 AM

The left and Europe write the histories and they fridge hate this country, not that I blame them, so of course they'll paint him as a hero.

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#7902: Sep 13th 2017 at 7:09:50 AM

This idea occurred to me last night. Since the bubonic plague was thought to be the wrath of God, were there any towns or cities that were completely abandoned during and after the plague and thus marked on the maps with "Never go within 30 miles of this place again"? And on the other hand, were any towns or cities re-populated after the epidemic vanished?

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#7903: Sep 14th 2017 at 6:41:34 PM

Anyone know any good reading suggestions for war in the Desert against the Ottoman Empire during WWI or similar events?

edited 14th Sep '17 6:47:54 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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#7904: Sep 14th 2017 at 6:58:30 PM

Anbar should be able to fill you in on that. After all, he wrote a major thesis on that same subject.

AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#7905: Sep 15th 2017 at 12:47:32 PM

Anyone know any good reading suggestions for war in the Desert against the Ottoman Empire during WWI or similar events?

The Fall of the Ottomans covers the whole of the Ottoman war fairly effectively. Desert Hell is probably the best existent book on the Mesopotamian campaign. Pyramids & Fleshpots covers the oft-ignored Egyptian and Western Desert campaigns.

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#7906: Sep 15th 2017 at 2:41:14 PM

Seven Pillars of Wisdom by T.E. Lawrence (aka Lawrence of Arabia).

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#7907: Sep 15th 2017 at 3:36:30 PM

Good suggestions two of them are on my future book list.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#7908: Sep 15th 2017 at 8:34:40 PM

[up][up]Good read but be careful with it—Lawrence is a man of his era, and his work is accordingly prejudiced.

On that note, I cheerfully recommend Sir Ian Hamilton's Gallipoli Diary. Words cannot adequately express the sheer amount of bitter snark that is that particular document. Most fun I've ever had with a primary source.

Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#7909: Sep 15th 2017 at 8:47:58 PM

[up]Prejudiced in that general 'white man complex' type of way or towards specific political groups?

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#7910: Sep 15th 2017 at 9:05:02 PM

Gallipoli Diary is just now in my Kindle Library. It was free on Amazon because its offered up by a group of volunteers converting it into digital format. :3. I am feeling rather pleased with myself now.

edited 15th Sep '17 9:07:05 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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#7911: Sep 15th 2017 at 9:12:14 PM

I was finally able to find back my copy of Choices Under Fire: Moral Dimensions of World War II by Micheal Bess today.

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AmbarSonofDeshar Since: Jan, 2010
#7912: Sep 15th 2017 at 10:29:02 PM

[up][up][up]Both. Lawrence has typically colonialist views which he tries to make fit the Arabs while still trying to justify his liking of them. It creates an odd narrative that is very progressive for the era in places, while shockingly ignorant in others.

[up][up]Enjoy. And let us know what you think. Hamilton's writing was not what I expected a First World War general to sound like; be curious to see how it comes across to you.

edited 15th Sep '17 10:29:53 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar

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#7913: Sep 18th 2017 at 1:48:48 AM

Crossposting from the Military thread:

'The Taking Of K-129': How The CIA Stole A Sunken Soviet Sub Off The Ocean Floor

In 1968 — the middle of the Cold War — the Soviet submarine K-129 disappeared, taking with it its 98-member crew, three nuclear ballistic missiles and a tempting treasure trove of Soviet secrets. Without the technology to retrieve it from the ocean floor, the Soviet Union left it there. It was considered lost — until the CIA stepped in.

Josh Dean's new book, The Taking of K-129, tells the true story of Project Azorian, a secret CIA mission to lift the submarine from a depth of more than 3 miles into a custom-built ship called the Hughes Glomar Explorer.

"There had been no salvage of a submarine below 1,000 feet at that point," Dean says. " ... [It's] probably the greatest feat of naval engineering. And on top of that, you had to do it in secret because it's not like a giant ship parked in the middle of the Pacific — where giant ships aren't normally parked — isn't going to arouse suspicion."

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#7914: Sep 18th 2017 at 4:28:15 PM

Stanislav Petrov has been confirmed as dead at age 77. While he died back in May it was kept quiet. The man is one of the unsung heroes of the Cold War.

Stanislav is credited with having averted a nuclear weapons disaster when a Soviet Early Warning system suffered a malfunction and incorrectly announced a nuclear attack by five US missiles. He declared there a was a fault in the system and stood by it.

Story via BBC

edited 18th Sep '17 4:29:09 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#7915: Sep 23rd 2017 at 8:23:53 AM

Anyone know which Imperial Japanese Army uniform is this one?

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#7916: Sep 23rd 2017 at 4:20:59 PM

Red collar tabs denote Infantry (which includes tanks.) The shoulder boards are those of a Corporal. (A Second Lieutenant's insignia would be the same, but with gold edges.)

edited 23rd Sep '17 4:36:46 PM by pwiegle

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#7917: Sep 23rd 2017 at 10:03:18 PM

[up] I was also referring to the name of the uniform. I assume that the uniform was from the Second Sino Japanese War and World War II, so would it be the Type 5 (1931), Type 98 (1938), or the Type 3 (1943)?

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#7918: Sep 25th 2017 at 1:57:40 AM

As he seems to be an officer it would be Type 3, which was an officers only uniform although very similar to Type 98.

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#7919: Sep 30th 2017 at 8:16:51 AM

[Current Affairs] A quick reminder of why colonialism was bad. This is a rebuttal to an essay called "The Case for Colonialism", by a Portland State University professor. The author here explains how the case presented in the essay is 90% and gives A quick reminder of why colonialism was bad:

But even if we assume that “cost-benefit” analysis is the correct way to examine colonialism, Gilley has to distort the evidence in order to prove his case. For example, Gilley cites the fact that “since gaining independence, Congo has never had at its disposal an army comparable in efficiency and discipline” to that it had under the Belgians, commenting that “Maybe the Belgians should come back.” If one knows anything about the history of the Belgian Congo, one knows that this statement is equivalent to saying “Maybe the Confederacy should come back” to the American South. Belgian King Leopold created possibly the most infamous colonial regime in history. Contemporaries called it “legalized robbery enforced by violence,” and Leopold “turned his ‘Congo Free State’ into a massive labour camp, made a fortune for himself from the harvest of its wild rubber, and contributed in a large way to the death of perhaps 10 million innocent people.” Belgian rule in the Congo was a reign of terror that scandalized the world

edited 30th Sep '17 8:17:05 AM by IFwanderer

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#7920: Oct 10th 2017 at 5:51:44 AM

Other than Auschwitz, which was manned by 7,000, how many men did Nazi Germany need to guard all the concentration camps they built across the territory they conquered?

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#7921: Oct 10th 2017 at 12:09:49 PM

Somehow I really don't feel like researching that, too depressing...

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Ferret Since: Mar, 2014
#7922: Oct 11th 2017 at 10:48:17 AM

How incorrect am I in saving myself the hassle of learning all the minute details of the region by just calling the territories between classical Greece and Rome, Illyria. I'm not really particularly interested in the Balkans in this period and always glaze over stuff about them

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#7924: Oct 11th 2017 at 5:36:01 PM

During which time period? Old Illyria about corresponds to old Yugoslavia. But, depending on the time period (and the route), there was also Dacia, Samnium, Etruria, Magna Gracia, Transalpine Gaul, Cisalpine Gaul, Germania, Macedon, Epirus, Thrace, Scythia, Sarmatia, the Carthaginian dominated waters of the Mediterranean and ever-contested Sicily. And I've probably left some out...

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#7925: Oct 12th 2017 at 11:15:07 PM

Alright, so as someone interested in the Second Sino-Japanese War and wanting to study it further in the near future, the argument over Chiang Kai-shek's legacy back in Taiwan is...intriguing.

It seems very polarized at the moment. Most KMT members still think he did what he had to do , built up the military, mobilized the people well, etc. The DPP supporters, from what I've seen, want to remove his presence as much as possible, and tend to paint him as a total villain. As for the NPP, I have no idea what they think.

As someone who's Chinese, but not from the mainland or Taiwan, I view him as both good and bad. I can respect him for defeating the warlords, uniting a party that was actually more of a giant bickering coalition under him, leading China through its war with Japan, helping the Taiwanese aborigines to some extent and his good traits, like incorruptibility and honesty. I also feel that compared to Mao, he was the better ruler (though still a dictator).

On the other hand, I cannot respect him for the White Terror (where teenagers got hard labor for minor 'opposition'), ignoring corruption, micromanaging his generals in the war with Japan (seriously hindering their efforts) and his abysmal management of the civil war. Although I don't think it's right to call him Taiwan's Hitler (as some do), the Taiwanese definitely have a justified reason to despise him.

If this was a long post, apologies-I needed to rant about this.

edited 12th Oct '17 11:17:19 PM by TheWildWestPyro


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