General Sonic The Hedgehog thread

Well, speaking as a huge Kirby fan, that's kind of how most Kirby games are. Though once you play a bit of the game, it's pretty clear what powers you need to use and when (you just might not always have them on you at the moment).

I don't understand how having an arsenal at the ready is an issue. I don't like being arbitrarily crippled in a game.

edited 28th Nov '14 5:02:11 AM by Odd1

I've also played several Kirby games and seen a few others played and they're very different from Amazing Mirror. Even with knowledge of both the Kirby series and the Metroidvania genre, there are several areas that I don't know how to get to.

I've only played a bit of Amazing Mirror from my old 3DS before I lost the system (don't ask how I lost it).

Anyways, is Rise of lyric as bad as 06?

Opinions vary wildly. It either is worse than 06, is on par with 06, or is better than 06,^note Or there's no comparison at all and people saying it are either bandwagoning or being hyperbolic. and all that seems dependent on whether or not the person making the comparison actually played 06 and/or Rise of Lyric and whether or not they enjoyed said game/s.

The fact that 06 comes up in comparison frequently when discussion of Rise of Lyric occurs says a lot about Rise of Lyric's quality at least.

edited 28th Nov '14 7:39:08 AM by Customer

Depends what scores you go by. The user scores somewhat favor Rise of Lyric, while the Metacritic scores highly favor 06.

I'm not sure many have actually played both extensively and could give you a fairly nice comparison. I think we're somewhat lacking in that. I may just have to pick up Rise of Lyric to decently compare them. One thing that is clear is that 06 still has more glitches overall(although most of them are very difficult to find), but also doesn't have the characters talking about every tiny little thing they do, which Rise of Lyric basically overdoes to the point ad nauseum. Also, if you dislike the whole alternate universe thing, that could hamper your opinion on it. Knuckles is the only character that can fly, even if it's through a glitch. Tails can only glide. Sonic looks to be a bit more of a roughhousing Hedgehog, while Amy is the more athletic one.

That's my extent of knowledge on it, really. I can only say more about the show.

They even both had bad development cycles and were rushed. The comparisons are pretty justified at this point. I think the worst part is that Rise of Lyric being a new universe leaves a seriously bad taste for the whole new style of characters. The show at least is severely better since it manages to not have glaring issues. Not surprised the 3DS version has more popularity, as it's a far better working game, even if not exactly exciting.

edited 28th Nov '14 7:43:58 AM by Irene

While Rise of Lyric seems to be a bit more of a completed game, I'd say that, given the choice, I'd rather play Sonic 06. Aside from actually playing like a Sonic game, at least all of the glitches are fairly amusing.

Plot wise, 06 is a bit more stupid but Lyric is a bit more... pointless, I guess (I was at least interested in the plot of 06 enough to follow along. In the case of Lyric, I couldn't tell you what's going on despite Scykoh being near the end of the game because I can't bring myself to give a damn). Honestly, it hardly even seems there.

When it comes to annoying hub worlds, I'd say they're both equal. Soleanna gave you useless Silver Medals and side quests while Boom's areas give you useless crowns, machine parts, and rings.

Also, the combat in Boom seems to be somehow even MORE monotonous than in 06 (which, honestly, I never had a problem with watching).

When it comes to music, 06 blows Boom out of the water.

When it comes to level design, I'd say 06 is much better (if the game had decent controls and physics engine then I don't think there'd be too many problems with the level design). At the very least, they're a lot more pleasing aesthetically.

I'm sure my cousin will enjoy Sonic Boom anyway, he's too young to pick up on a bad game. Regardless, I know they're so many better games out there he could be playing, and I don't want any money going to Sega on this.

When it comes to 06 vs. Boom though, 06 seems like way more of a chore to take on, with the near infinite loading times and the potentially game-breaking glitches. Boom just isn't really a Sonic game though. I have zero interest in playing it. At the very least, playing 06 is like a badge of accomplishment achieved as a member of the forever suffering fanbase.

edited 28th Nov '14 8:46:43 AM by ElementX

I thought he was alright in Colors.

Really, I got sick of Eggman's goofiness around the time Sonic stopped taking him seriously, though. Which I believe was Generations.

Sega did not make Rise of Lyiric. Seriously, they don't deserve any blame.

Thanks. I may pick up both cheap. I do like the fact the handheld version isn't simply a port.

edited 28th Nov '14 8:47:12 AM by Irene

Fair point, but in that game, Classic!Robotnik mentioned how crazy his older self was. That softened it, like an acknowledgment that "Yes, even the younger Robotnik sees how exaggerated he's become."

I still want a Sonic the Roguelike, with procedurally-generated levels ;_;

It looked like it would have been much easier than a roguelike, but the Sonic Sat AM game looked like it was going to play as slow as one. Sonic just does not translate to Prince of Persia-style gameplay.

Sega didn't make Rise of Lyric, but the games failure sure isn't doing them or Big Red Button any favors. After this, they'll probably do what they did with Alien: Isolation and stick to keeping Sonic developed in house from here on out, so as not to have another third party fiasco like they had with Alien: Colonial Marines.

Well, the way I envisioned it, it would play like a classic Sonic title, only the levels are procedurally generated.

So I knew that Boom wasn't really going to kill of Sonic but I never expected them to do it that badly. Honestly, I think I preferred the bullshit 06 pulled to that.

At least the stage leading up to it looked kinda fun for that game's standards.

One thing they did right was bring back the little Mecha-Tails drones from Tails Adventure for Boom.

I love racking up SSS+ rank combos wiht those little guys.

By the way, we got some new Sanic themes, which one can get as a whole pack for 5.99. One of them is a Chao themed one that plays the Garden theme, no less.

Themes for what?

3ds

With the underperformance of Sonic Lost World and Sonic Boom outright flopping, it's no wonder Sega is listed as having a high risk of going bankrupt in the next two years (yeah it says 90%, but 62% isn't good either). They got out of the console race alive, but don't be surprised if Sega goes the way of Acclaim or 3DO with their current track record...

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/SGAMY--Probability_Of_Bankruptcy

edited 30th Nov '14 1:06:40 PM by TheBeanerItWas

Sega needs to get their act together...or when they go bankrupt, sell off Sonic to Nintendo so we can at least get more Sonic games, and keep Sonic in SSB.

Why is it so hard to be consistent with quality of Sonic games? Colors and Generations are among the best that gaming has to offer, Lost World has contention, Boom is about as hated as '06. Sonic 4 is not going anywhere anytime soon (mostly because Episode 2's reception was lukewarm). Meanwhile we have the Taxman remakes of 1, 2, and CD which are loved. Seriously, what the hell, SEGA?

I think people are just getting tired of the series now, and frankly it really has gotten stale and tired. The older games are still popular, but Sonic really doesn't have much relevance in the contemporary game scene. Even Miyamoto thought Sonic was just "a good Mario clone" instead of a one of a kind experience like N Ights Into Dreams (which Miyamoto lauded)—how can a copy ever surpass the original, especially if it's a copy of that copy? Sonic Generations did well, but it was a creative dead end for the series, only good as a oneshot. And then Sonic tried to literally copy Mario again with Lost World (Wheras his original game was like a minimalist take on Mario with one aspect—namely the speed—cranked up into a marketable gimmick) and ended up falling short. Colors was basically Unleashed and Sonic Rush with more polish and a new power up gimmick slapped on. Even the original Genesis Sonic games didn't add much new to the table with each game; they just polished what little was unique about the first game and added some new bells and whistles to the experience. Sonic Xtreme at least tried to be cutting edge and unique like Nights, but it ended up becoming Vapor Ware for many reasons.

On top of that, Sega made the same mistake as Nickelodeon did with Spongebob and became overdependent on the series as their big breadwinner and didn't focus on creating relevant, new I Ps like in their arcade and Genesis years, so they ended up running the Sonic series into the ground after it wore out it's welcome. They wised up in recent years by downplaying the number of Sonic games made, but they aren't breaking new ground in making another big IP, and I think they shot themselves in the foot by doing that. Right now, their best sellers are a licensed tie in game to Alien and a listless sports game.

edited 30th Nov '14 3:24:34 PM by TheBeanerItWas

"On top of that, Sega made the same mistake as Nickelodeon did with Spongebob and became overdependent on the series as their big breadwinner and didn't focus on creating relevant, new I Ps"

Sorta like Nintendo during the late-00s, relying on Mario and Pokemon for the most part. They got better starting in 2010, and are continuing to give some other franchises love now.

Part of me still wants Sonic to continue, but maybe he'd find a home with Nintendo...the only game company around nowadays that still produces strings of great games. Maybe have a Sonic game developed by Retro...while I'm dreaming maybe Nintendo should also buy Mega Man, because of how much Nintendo seems to love him in SSB (He has more musical remixes in the game than both Sonic and Pac Man)

While it would be impressive of them to make his inclusion even more shamelessly biased than it already is, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want all of his themes to be NES quality.

And we just saw what would happen if Sonic went Nintendo, and it wasn't any more successful for it. Why are we constantly theorycrafting over a prospect that already basically happened barely more than a year ago?

edited 30th Nov '14 6:26:01 PM by Demonfly

Show of hands. Who agrees/disagrees with this?