General Sonic The Hedgehog thread

Upgrade items. Sonic Adventure 2 is specific about that. Getting Chaos Drives/Animals for Chao in both Sonic Adventures is another. Lastly, collecting all Emblems.

A lot of the newer games have very little beyond 100% completion. Especially when the controls or levels don't ultimately work for some people, as you can tell in this thread, it's pretty common.

x2 I'm a Completionist, and completionists usually complete every challenge the game has, then moves on to the next game. It's not very common that we replay games once we've completed them. There are exceptions, though.

x1 Those chao actually do become annoying for me at times, but it doesn't reduce my annoyance of my overall game.

@Zelenal: When it comes to the really good Sonic games, you're missing out on a lot of the level if you don't replay it. Sonic 3 & Knuckles and Sonic Generations both stand out in this regard.

I'd think the alternate paths fall under "because you want to."

I don't ever replay the classic Sonic games for specific levels...its always all the way through. Sonic Adventure, Sonic Heroes, and Sonic Rush Adventure I always tend to go back and replay levels because "I want to"...the games are fun enough.

That's good to hear, just that some individuals don't work like that, like me. I just complete, then let it collect dust as it neatly sits in it's casing. There are few games I go back to play again.

I rarely have the money to buy new games so I'm all about squeezing replay value out of the ones I have.

How fast I can really go back to a game...depends on the actual game itself really.

I can either go back constantly like with 3D Mario games or 2D Sonic games, wait a significant amount of time like with 3D Sonic games(mostly) or RP Gs, or I can't go back at all like with Sonic Colors or Unleashed Wii.

edited 24th Apr '14 7:00:15 AM by randomness4

I barely replay anything but Sonic Battle, Adventure 2(Battle), Adventure 1/DX, and Shadow. Albeit, 100% completion is a main reason, but I find all of them extremely fun to play around with. Such silly things to do. 06 is similar, at least in multiplayer. My 360 isn't hooked up, but otherwise, love it.

I usually replay the Genesis Sonic game the whole way through, too. It's much easier to replay the individual levels of the later games when there's a map, hub, or post-game level select.

edited 24th Apr '14 7:18:19 AM by WaxingName

Each of those games have level select cheats...but its not the same.

Sonic 3 & Knuckles is the best of them since when you enter the level select, you can always return to the title screen by pressing start+A.

Better add that to my list of why Sonic 3 and Knuckles is awesome.

I replay Sonic Genesis every so often when I get a masochistic urge.

You'd need to enter debug mode to do that in the 1st 2 games...

Never mind I just tested it, you don't need debug mode to do it in Sonic 1 or Sonic 2.

I think its the best in Sonic 1 since its pretty much acting like a save feature.

edited 24th Apr '14 10:56:11 AM by randomness4

If I were to add any thing to Generations, I'd add one more stage to each Era.

The Genesis Era would get a level from the Sonic 3 half of Sonic 3 and Knuckles

The Dreamcast Era, since it includes Heroes, would get a level from Shadow the Hedgehog

The Modern Era would get a level from either Secret Rings or Black Knight

And I'd give one boss from each game. the Genesis Sonic games would get the boss from that zone, plus Metal Sonic and Death Egg Robo. Adventure's would add Egg Viper (it would keep Perfect Chaos), Adventure 2's would add King Boom Boo (of course, keep Shadow), Heroes's would get Egg Emperor (Or Metal Madness), the level that I'd add from Shadow would get Black Bull.

Sonic '06's would get Iblis (Silver's LAST boss form), the boss that the Storybook Series would give would be King Arthur, I can't of any other boss from Unleashed, And Colors would give Nega Wisp Armor.

You can't add a level from Shth...its not a main series game, its also not Sonic's game. That's like adding a level from Knuckles' Chaotix.

The SA 2 level in the handheld version is Radical Highway, Shadow's first level. And the boss for that era in that version is the Biolizard, whom Shadow fought (though Sonic DID fight Final Hazard with Shadow)

That was only half of the point I made...Shadow's own game wouldn't be celebrated by any levels, all the choices are games where Sonic is the main character. They would be working by the fact that it didn't matter if it was Shadow's stages...as long as it was an Sa2 level in general.

Games like Knuckles Chaotix and Shadow's game only have 1 reference(by music)in the entirety of Sonic Generations...they were never likely to get levels.

If there was one more level on each era, those actually make perfect sense as choices. Not really any other ones. And Sonic does show up in more than one course, in fact, he's the most recurring partner in Shadow's game. He pretty much is going through some of them, if not almost the entire stage.

I could see it showing up, since there's zero other legitimate choices for the Dreamcast saga. And it doesn't really matter whether it's a spin-off or not anyway. Chaotix is a different issue and might not work. Plus, Shadow's game is part of the main storyline and nothing else. It's a direct sequel to Heroes and outright required for Sonic 06 to work. Not seeing any reason it shouldn't get a course. Beyond arbitrary ones that really don't matter. The other eras are pretty well-covered with those ideas. Great job, powerpuffbats.

It'd be out of place really...I don't see Sonic being in the game as a legit reason to have a level in there.

While they were celebrating all 20 years of Sonic history...they could easily use any of the Handheld games over Shth. None of the Shth levels were all that popular, and there are much better choices.

Handhelds stay on the Handheld versions of Generations. Console one gets Console games. It's ultimately not out of place in reality.

It's literally the only available choice among the speedy platformers. No other legitimate options at that point.

And no, there aren't any other options in the platforming genre of the Console Sonic games. At all. People need to let that go. And just on the page itself, both Digital Circuit and Lethal Highway are rather popular. So... that's not true whatsoever. It'd have to obviously be a level with Sonic in it, though. Which fits Lethal Highway, then. Also more or less the course type most notable for Shadow. Not like City Escape and the 06 stage weren't redundant to a degree as city levels. This isn't like them beyond that basic idea, seeing as how it had a widely different layout. Of course, vehicles aren't available and some work on the enemies would need doing, namely to remove how much they can swarm you. Not a terribly high amount, but yeah.

Handhelds on the Handheld version...since that was only true for only 2 games, and it was followed both ways. That wouldn't really be legit.

It has popular levels...Okay, but in comparison.

I say its out of place, the levels themes are dull looking, the enemies don't scream Sonic, and it'd be the only game there where it wasn't starring Sonic(Totally sticking out compared to the other level). Overall its a game that doesn't really come to mind when Celebrating the 20th anniversy of Sonic the Hedgehog...the only reason someone would is because its the only other console game for dreamcast era.

Well, as we all know, TV Tropes YMMV pages are a bastion of credibility and always represent the majority opinion, so it's clearly a trustworthy source on this matter.

Ahem.

I just want a legit handheld-themed Generations game.

Because each era is being represented by one more game. The console version has no reason to not concentrate on the console ones, and that makes it the automatic choice. And Sonic is pretty much a major player in the game, almost as much as Black Doom at times. Just slightly less. It's pretty much Shadow > Black Doom > Sonic/Eggman in how important they are.

Since each one is a console-only suggestion, obviously there's no other choice among the Dreamcast era. Likewise, he suggested a game in the Dreamcast era. There's zero choices beyond it. That's... kind of obvious why it was suggested. Can't see how it was dull or interesting, and you're more than perfectly capable of using Homing Attacks and such to win, so the gameplay matches up just as easily. It's beyond easy to translate it, just as Crisis City was. It's not "out of place" since Sonic would obviously not be using guns or swearing anyway. The enemies were just generally tougher than most, but that's the only real difference.

Plus, I agree with him fully. It's better to use other courses from other games than repeating the same games. It would also give each Era at least 4 regular courses used, making the game longer while adding very excellent choices. Sonic 3 & Knuckles is ultimately two games in one, they didn't represent a big game in the overall storyline, and it was kinda pointless to skip over both Storybook games, anyway.

Still shows that there are likable courses in the end. Crisis City is the same reasoning regardless.

And yeah, Generations Handheld was a giant letdown. They had more than enough Handheld games to use. All of the Dreamcast era should've been from the Advance series(since they're part of it overall). They had at least 4 different Handheld games, although Tails' Adventure doesn't work. So Sky Patrol, which Sonic appears in, does. Sonic Rush Adventure easily works for a 3rd game in the Modern Era. They really dropped the ball on that one. Although to be fair, there was a handheld version of Sonic and Knuckles as is. Albeit, a port, but meh.

edited 24th Apr '14 7:06:29 PM by Irene

Irene, if we're talking in terms of how the game itself actually plays, all of the helper characters do literally nothing but walk around with you unless you have someone Tails it up, so to speak. Sonic is only really major in that game in the endings where you fight him, and even then it's a tag-team boss fight where Psycho GUN Boy is your main enemy (except in like 2 of the endings).

edited 24th Apr '14 7:11:27 PM by Odd1