Macross general Thread

And her aunt's a rock star-pilot.

Though honestly I'm surprised that Mirage is in Chaos Brigade rather than SMS. She could have joined the crew of the Macross Quarter with one simple sentence. "I can introduce you to Fire Bomber." Ozma and Bobby would have signed her up so fast her head would have spun.

We don't know where she lived when Frontier launched. It was 2041 when that fleet departed, and Mirage doesn't seem to be older than her early twenties at the most, so she probably wasn't even alive when it launched.

Also, Ragna and the rest of the cluster seems to be on the opposite end of the galaxy from where Frontier ended up.

Hell, given that Mylene's on the 7th Fleet (wherever the hell it is now), it's likely that Mirage has never even met her.

edited 17th Jun '16 6:08:27 PM by DarkHunter

Mirage is eighteen.

In this weeks episode of Macross Delta Al Shahal fell in 15 minutes, Chaos plans a fast counter attack, Mirage gets a promotion, Nuns wants to Nuke the ruins, Hayate Freya and Mirage have a heart to heart, the Macross Elision takes off, and Chaos gets out gambited. I am a bit salty that there was no action this week but I think next week is going to be 22 minutes of awesome.

Hey, at least they didn't start the fight this week and then skip past the conclusion at the start of next week like they usually do.

In other news this week: I for one hope that this new declaration of rivalry Hayate threw out will give Mirage some actual, you know, character development. That would be nice.

So, WAG time: Lady M, Chaos' mysterious boss: odds on it being somebody we should know from previous series, Lynn Minmay say?

People are always so keen on wanting past characters to re-appear in later Macross stories, but that almost never happens across the franchise. Macross 7 is pretty much the only story that did that (with Max, Miria, and Exedol being major characters), and maybe Zero with its appearance of Roy Focker. In general, Macross keeps its stories self-contained, with new characters in each installment.

I don't think either Hayate's father (who I've seen lots of incredibly silly speculation about elsewhere on the Internet) or Lady M are anyone we've seen before. Odds on that are close to zero, IMHO.

edited 20th Jun '16 12:03:31 PM by DarkHunter

In this weeks episode of Macross Delta. You know what, just watch it.

Wow... that was... just wow.

Macross still has it.

The "true king's" name is Mayan? I wonder if there's any significance behind that one.

edited 27th Jun '16 12:26:15 AM by DarkHunter

I am not 100% sure on this since I don't have the official specs to look at but Hayate's win against Keith was kind of lucky. When Hayate and Keith both pull back, fired their back lasers, then moved to their hand guns, I think Hayate was on the side where Keith had a shield. So what could of resulted in a double ko was instead Keith's lose because of aircraft design decisions. Again I could be wrong.

Well, that happened. Shirokishi's death was kind of anticlimactic. Still, one of the better episodes, and some of the show's usual problems were avoided

So, thoughts now that we're halfway through:

I feel like I'm not enjoying this as much as I should be. Like, it seems well made, but it's kind of unsatisfying. I think the biggest issue is that it's trying to juggle three main cast groups while moving the plot forward, which doesn't give much time to focus on any of them, and they don't connect well. Also, not really feeling the love triangle; Mirage is just... kind of disappointing, and Freyja feels more like sister to Hayate than anything. And I don't really care about Hayate at all (which is still a step up from the early episodes). All that said, I don't dislike the show at all, I'm just not entirely certain I'm going to be following it into next season^note Though I probably will be. Next season looks pretty bad

Oh, I don't think that Keith is dead. Like you said, not nearly enough drama surrounding it, and the damage to his plane didn't seem immediately lethal.

Agreed.

One of the problems with Delta is that the cast is simply too big to have a lot invested in any one character after thirteen episodes. We have, what - the four pilots of Delta Platoon, the five idols of Walkure, the half-dozen or more supporting characters on Ranga, plus the half-dozen or so named characters on the opposing side, three separate planets with significant screen time, etc. Throw in the fact that Delta Platoon and Walkure have developed relatively slowly in comparison to Windermere and that "main triangle" hasn't gone beyond blushing at each other and it's pretty mediocre for a Macross series.

It's like Kawamori is trying to apply the "Idol Group Series" formula (where every one of the girls will have at least a niche fanbase) to a Macross show.

On a more positive note though, first volume of Walkure music from the show is out, including basically every Walkure song from the first cour. Sadly not including the Freya version of the OP from this episode but hey still cool.

On this weeks episode of Macross Delta it's lewd. No seriously if your mind is in the gutter man you'll have a field day. Also, Keith is in coma, and relaunching a colony ship after so many years might be a bad idea.

edited 7th Jul '16 7:47:54 AM by mega-dark

And they took off their shirts because...?

Ah, whatever, Fanservice!

Mikumo continues to be mysterious for the sake of being mysterious.

And it looks like NUNS actually was up to something on Windermere 7 years ago. Not surprising, we knew the writers would be trying to give those guys some justification for their actions at some point. The Aerial Knights' moral myopia is still staggering though.

I do find it kind of hilarious that they apparently thought their climax last week was so epic they just replaced the opening sequence with it. I like the new ending theme a lot better too.

I figured that was more a case of them deciding "okay we either have the budget for a new OP or a bigger fight scene in Ep 12. Actually let's just do both at once!"

And yeah can we talk about the part where that one Aerial Knight is bitching about the White Knight being in a coma after they have just invaded and caused massive collateral damage on a foreign planet. I mean sure I guess they're feeding the survivors...but I don't know where mind control-enhancing food fits in to the space Geneva convention.

They ditched their clothes because Newton's Law of Motion. They were floating to where they needed to go then took a piece a clothing off and threw it in the opposite direction to generate force to push them in the direction they needed to go.

Yeah, that was a neat way to get some fanservice going.

x3 The same one that says not to try to explode some ruins that they know won't do anything, messing with a planets ecosystem, and kills their own men and civilians in the process.

And the collateral damage was mostly caused by NUNS.

edited 8th Jul '16 3:46:25 PM by OmegaRadiance

In this weeks episode of Macross Delta New opening, Windmere's side, Disabilities, correlations, declaration of Galactic War, becoming a badass disabled, and Hayate's father get referenced.

Not fond of the new OP

I guess Keith is A CHAR now?

Yeah, new OP is pretty bland.

So Roid is evil. Big surprise.

So NUNS actually was responsible for D-bombing Windermere (although I haven't ruled out the possibility it was a Windermere agent flying under false colors, but I'll admit that's looking less and less likely). Even so, I cannot call Windermere justified in anything beyond freeing their own homeworld. Their methods are unforgivable, and, in my mind, far worse than the WMD's that have been deployed against them. Bottom line: NUNS may have done some unconscionable things, but Windermere is still worse. They are everything they claim NUNS to be, except with even lower moral standards.

I did like that at least one of the Aerial Knights is aware of his people's hypocrisy though.

Keith is totally a CHAR. Blonde hair, extreme piloting skills, elder brother to a member of the royal family of the nation he serves, has goals that may differ from what the dude in charge (Roid) is planning, and now he has a mask.

Do we really need to put all this in spoiler tags?

edited 11th Jul '16 2:23:21 AM by DarkHunter

You are deluded if you think NUNS does not have people just as bad. They nuked a planets ruins For Science! in the previous episode knowing it would fail and kill their own soldiers, harmed a ecosystem, and murdered civillians in the process and they are acting with relative calmness to the situation so it is not surprising if they hijack Windemere's plan in the end.

Just accept that NUNS lied because that is what happened.

Edit: Roid being evil is not much of a surprise as Keith didn't trust him in the prequel manga and believed he has his own agenda.

edited 11th Jul '16 7:36:48 AM by OmegaRadiance

I'm prepared to believe that Roid might be less evil, and more angry as fuck. The flashbacks this episode strongly indicated that he and Keith were as close to ground zero of that fold bomb as anyone could be and live, and personally seeing Earth try to genocide your subspecies (and then do the same to an allied human subspecies, the Ragnans) is a hell of a motivator to get their government out of the galaxy. Particularly if he's widely-read enough to know it was an option on the table during the Vajra war as well.

Var mind control is pretty unpleasant, but it's a fairly justifiable tactic if you want to win a war against an existential threat and don't have a proper army to do it for you instead. There's certainly no sign that people in conquered planets are actively mistreated, just very tightly controlled.