What are the intents of "bullies?"

Yes there was a post here.

No, I'm not putting it back.

edited 24th Feb '11 3:57:10 PM by SpainSun

Fighting back was the only thing that stopped the bullying for me, at least for a while. I decked more than one kid in high school, which usually gave me a few days/weeks reprieve from the worst of it. (the worst being two or more kids kicking and punching me in a corner/on the floor) I never fought back for revenge, I just wanted it to stop. Ignoring them never worked. Going to the teacher was counterproductive, because the teachers did nothing and the bullying becomes worse because you're a wimp/girl for "telling."

Luckily for me, my family moved to the other side of Melbourne when I was about 17 and I changed to a new school, which had good teachers who kept bullying to a minimum and didn't do victim blaming - at my old school, I don't remember single time where I wasn't suspended/given detention/given a stern warning for defending myself. A lot of the teachers were basically bullies themselves.

Okay. To laconicize and....more calmly rephrase my previous post.

I am constantly picked on, have tried everything I can think of to stop it, and don't really consider it my fault in any way. Keep in mind I have a tendency to blame myself for everything and its grandfather.

Again, you're doing the false equivalence thing: just because they share that trait doesn't mean they magically become the same thing.

They're not the same thing, but that trait happens to be the very trait that makes bullying so despicable in the first place.

: So are you against people being beaten the snot out for being pricks, and whoever attacked them was tormented by them earlier?
Sort of lost overview here :(

As stated earlier, there's a difference between self defense and revenge.

Or take your self defense too far out of perverse pleasure.

edited 24th Feb '11 5:27:05 PM by Pykrete

: Indeed. But for it to be revenge you will first have to get to a position where they leave you alone.
Edit: Sure, but on the other hand, what if breaking bones actually get a bunch of ragtags to stop, while just raging back made it worse?

edited 24th Feb '11 5:32:38 PM by del_diablo

People won't bully you if their arm is broken in several places. Power, after all, in this sense, stems from fear - and if they shit themselves whenever you walk in a room, they're unlikely to try any shit with you.

Disproportionate Retribution much? If they didn't inflict grievous bodily harm on you, it seems rather extreme to do so in retaliation.

Dear Everyone: Not all bullies are the same. There is no "bullies want ____. Some people will hit you because you're stupid. Some people will hit you because you're mean. Some people will hit you because they like it and its fun.

I'm sure Everyone is completely stunned by that arcane piece of wisdom of which they were utterly ignorant.

Bobby G: And what if you need to apply such extreme amounts of force in order to get a desired result? Or do you condemn it anyhow?

Depends what the desired result is. If we're talking self-defence, virtually anything goes, IMO. Calculated revenge? Not so much.

^Gotta love anything goes.

I remember grade school.

I actually considered making napalm and throwing it inside the classroom.

^Maybe you should get counseling.

Meh, the napalm I was going to use was crude and was likely to kill me while I was still making it.

Boiling bar of soap in gasoline, anyone?

Not effective.

"Bullying is inflicting harm for self-gratification. Revenge is inflicting harm for self-gratification." - Pykrete

Meh, at least revenge is about having reason to believe your target deserves it. (And I mean from a moral perspective, not a "survival of the fittest" perspective.)

It's not something that should be relied on, but it's I'm not sure one should blame people for resorting to it when the schools themselves don't have much of a sense of justice. -.-

edited 25th Feb '11 7:25:13 AM by neoYTPism