TTGL Syndrome?

The original is much, much better (and I liked Diebuster).

edited 10th Feb '11 6:22:42 PM by Nyktos

But the "Onee SAMA" was, like, even more grating there...

Okay, I'll give it a shot...

Don't worry if you have Perverse Sexual Lust for Sagara Sosuke, it's like that for him in-universe too. Like, all his life, everyone wanted to... well, let's just say we're lucky that Rape As Backstory was averted in this show. Though perhaps Leonard...?

Funny enough, I never felt any PSL for Sagara, despite the fact I *can* feel it for male characters as well.

Kyoko, on the other hand? Rowwwwwwrrrr...

Kyouko... meh. I'm more of a Tess guy. She leads an extremely lonely life, and definitely Needs More Love.

Tessa is one of those girls I don't like so much because the show is so desperately trying to get me to like her so much. While I'd never kick her out of bed, I prefer pretty much any other female in the show.

@Ardiente: While I doubt it was really supposed to annoy the audience, being annoyed by it isn't necessarily the worst reaction. It's certainly supposed to make Noriko look immature, because — much like in Gurren Lagann — her growth as a person is one of the main themes of the series. By the end, the only reason she's still calling her "oneesama" is for old times' sake.

The most attractive character in Full Metal Panic! is Gauron Sousuke Kaname.

edited 10th Feb '11 7:01:40 PM by Nyktos

Kaname has my third place, actually. She comes close, but Mao's just too much woman.

Mao is cool too.

Krutz-cham is pretty hot too. He's such a funny guy...

A couple of things I need to make clear.

First off, I only started arguing because the OP made me angry. if you're going to accuse me of hating on TTGL, at least admit early in the thread tons of TTGL fans were basically saying "yeah other mecha shows are all terribad." It's a bit hypocritical.

Secondly, I agree with the person who said the nature of Nia was up for debate as the show is vague. I think that was pretty accurate. the reason I came to the conclusion she wasn't a person was because of the teleporting, projecting and flickering, I came to the conclusion she was a hologram or something, probably not too dissimilar from Sharon Apple

edited 10th Feb '11 11:49:05 PM by Clawshrimpy

Who dares to call Nia "not a person"? Maybe she's not human, but she definitely counts: the hearts of people are infinite, and she's bet her all in that.

I still consider the Nagahama trilogy the best mecha series as far as storytelling is concerned. No Mind Screw to make you look deep, no What Do You Mean It Is Symbolic stuff, just simple yet powerful stories that captivate the whole plot, despite the Monster of the Week formula. Sadly we could probably never see those kind of stuff due to Fanservice and such being pretty much a requirement.

Not to mention it's one of the only Super Robot anime shows that could claim that it had a part in toppling a real life dictator. :p

edited 11th Feb '11 5:29:15 AM by Servbot

First off, I only started arguing because the OP made me angry. if you're going to accuse me of hating on TTGL, at least admit early in the thread tons of TTGL fans were basically saying "yeah other mecha shows are all terribad." It's a bit hypocritical.

And how did the OP make you angry? He just stated an honest, inoffensive opinion. And if you think everyone was hating on other mecha shows in the early thread, then you didn't read the early posts, because several posters (including me) disagreed with him/her. And did you ever think that anything YOU say could make someone angry, considering that you've pressed my Berserk Button several times in this thread? The most offensive posts in this thread have all come from YOU! If anyone is the hypocrite here it's YOU!!!

edited 11th Feb '11 6:59:23 AM by shiro_okami

People wo say things like "TTGL is the only good mecha show" are a pet peeve of mine, and that what this whole thread came across as.

What about this isn't inflammatory?

every time I watch a mecha show these days, I wish I were watching Gurren Lagann.

That sounds pretty fanboyish and insulting to me. my entire arguement is "No, in fact, several shows are much Better than Gurren Lagann, Gao Gai Gar only being one of them. Stop writing off an entire subgenre because it isn't exactly like your super-over the top parody show." it just escalated when people started to think I'm a idiot for disliking the show. and it went ugly from there. I don't jsut hate TTGL, though. I hate Star Driver too. and the direction they are taking Super Robot when, really, Brave Series should've been what the modern face of Super Robot should be.

Also, stop taking me hating TTGL as a freaking personal attack. I never meant to hurt anyone's feelings, only to point out not everyone swallows the hype pill and thinks the show is perfect, and there are, in fact, people who like other shows instead. not everyone is as cheaply entertained by flashy action and faux-manly testosterone-speech.

edited 11th Feb '11 8:57:31 AM by Clawshrimpy

Holy cow, the hypocrisy!

For one thing, sounding fanboy-ish is not a good argument for something being insulting. And you've been sounding just as fanboy-ish, IF NOT MORE SO!

"Stop writing off an entire subgenre."

So basically, your entire argument is to make people stop doing the exact same thing that you have been doing. Hypocrite!

I never meant to hurt anyone's feelings, only to point out not everyone swallows the hype pill and thinks the show is perfect, and there are, in fact, people who like other shows instead. Not everyone is as cheaply entertained by flashy action and faux-manly testosterone-speech.

And you are ONCE AGAIN Completely Missing The Point. You are hurting people's feelings NOT necessarily because you hate TTGL, but because you act like an elitist snob who won't allow anyone else to LIKE TTGL and insinuate that anyone who does so is a stupid moron. You accuse TTGL fans of not realizing that people may like other shows, but you think that Gao Gai Gar is perfect and won't allow people to like TTGL instead because they have different tastes than you. Again, hypocrite, HYPOCRITE, HYPOCRITE!!! And if this is not the message that you've been trying to send, then I suggest that you learn a little LOT of HUMILITY, change your attitude, and think about how other people might be affected by your words.

edited 11th Feb '11 9:24:10 AM by shiro_okami

That's a lot of words you're putting in my mouth. Not once did I say that people weren't allowed to like the show. the spirit of what I meant is the show is overrated/overhyped and doesn't need to by hyped anymore than it is.

I literally said nothing other than me thinking the show is bad, and my reasonings WHY I think the show is bad. I have literally said nothing of the sort to insinuate that liking the show makes someone look bad. Listen closely. I. Just. Hate. Hype.

A lot of the characters feel pretty flat, if not seeming like they don't even think about anything they decide to do. Which kinda is pretty upsetting for those of us who like our Super Robot character be able to show intelligence along with bravery.

Also, compare how both shows handle non-action scenes. Gurren Lagann has a great deal more comedy and Fanservice, where Gao Gai Gar focused a lot more on the whole coming of age thing and having an interesting mythology and drama, which Gurren Lagann, and a lot of those more "action/comedy centric" Super Robot shows lack. It's honestly kinda sad that, still, the Go Nagai style Super Robot is still the majority, when Gao Gai Gar did so much to make the storytelling of a Super Robot show more interesting.

After Gao Gai Gar and The Big O you'd think the standard for Super Robot writing would just naturally be higher by now. But no, TTGL was a bunch of Go Nagai fellatio and it was a runaway hit.

That's the whole point, the series is so absurd in its writing it's impossible to take it seriously. That's pretty much the line between serious plot and parody right there.

So basically what you're saying here is that Gao Gai Gar is superior to TTGL simply because the first has drama while the second has comedy, action, and absurdity. The problem I have with this is that the whole reason people like TTGL is BECAUSE of the comedy and action, so it comes across as saying that your preferences are superior to others.

I have fun when a show makes me think. I just fail to see the appeal of shows that only boast ACTION, Fanservice and comedy with nothing else going for it.

This alone just expresses that you have different preferences, but when paired with what you said above, gives the impression that anything you fail to see the appeal of is stupid. THIS is what pushed my Berserk Button the first time.

You never said outright the things I accused you of, but it's not WHAT you say, it's HOW you say it. Not to mention that it's hard to hate a show without insulting its fans. (Note that there is a difference between not liking something, saying it's bad, and outright hating it.) And almost every post you made in this thread has some sort of "I'm better than you" feel, and I HATE people who are like that.

edited 11th Feb '11 10:20:40 AM by shiro_okami

I really don't seriously mean to come off that way, calm down a bit, okay?

I mean, I liked Rossiu, as he seemed to actually have a brain unlike most of the show's cast, and just tried to make the best out of a bad situation, but the funny thing is people who actually love the show hate that character, which is kind of ironic. and yet, he's the only part of the show I could even remotely bring myself to care about.

edited 11th Feb '11 10:57:36 AM by Clawshrimpy

I don't see why he should. I've been reading your Real Robot thread and tried to be sympathetic and thought you made some itneresting points, but you're being so incredibly annoying and insulting it's becoming hard. It's even worse if you aren't aware of it, because it means you aren't thinking of others' feelings, nor are you taking the time to look hard and long at yours.

Me, I love TTGL exactly because of all those things you derided. I love it because it's crazy, it's fun, and it's awesome. And no, they didn't have to do much thinking, it was pure, raw hope VS pure raw funk. Hope beats funk in the end. You can't get simpler than that. And, well, artisically, 'm afraid TTGL is vastly superior to GGG, though I'll allow you to write it off as chronological difference and budget difference. Also, there wasn't that much fanservice, and when there was, it was funny as hell. See ya. DARARAN DA RARUM.

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edited 11th Feb '11 11:02:48 AM by Ardiente

Well if you don't mean it that way, then change the way you say things. And other tropers seem to have similar reactions, so it's not just me.

Also, stop comparing TTGL to Gao Gai Gar and The Big O. You don't compare a comedy to a drama. Comparing them just because they are both Super Robot is like comparing Slayers and Claymore because they are both Heroic Fantasy. It just doesn't make sense.

edited 11th Feb '11 11:15:32 AM by shiro_okami

I'm not a firm believer that visual quality determines actual quality. I hate the "better budget=better show" nonsense. I care a great deal more about storytelling. It bothers me about as much as people who think "graphics make a game." visuals are honestly the LAST thing I consider when judging something.

I don't watch science-fiction for comedy. and I think it's silly to. sci-fi, no matter how outlandish, or soft, should be able to be analyzed and taken seriously at all times. Red Dwarf is funny, but you can analyze aspects of the plot and character.

edited 11th Feb '11 11:20:06 AM by Clawshrimpy

This thread has lost all civility and is getting into a fanwank fight really fast.

Regardless, here's the laconic version of my statement, so it cannot be misinterpreted.

TTGL is loud. Therefore, it motivates the fandom to be loud. Because of this loudness, it makes other shows feel more quiet, thus where the effect comes from. Since TTGL is doing things different than most mecha shows, as opposed to copy-pasting a formula, people use this as an excuse to put it on a pedestal.

TTGL, from what I know, doesn't have a massive worldwide fanbase, but a respectable sized one. About the size of Lucky Star, but less than the size of Dragon Ball Z. Just like the fandom of FFVII though, the fanbase are very vocal about their pet show, which is why it feels more immense than it normally does, and why you see more of it around than normal.

The show is good. The show is not the best. It carries the flaws that most other shows do as well, that rest solely with the fandom and issues in the story itself.

See, THAT is the kind of attitude that I hate. It would have been fine if you just said that you don't watch sci-fi for comedy, but then you go ahead and say that anyone who does so is silly! You say that everyone should watch sci-fi the way YOU do and what everyone else likes doesn't matter, like you're some prideful elitist snob. You just DON'T realize the Unfortunate Implications of what you say.

edited 11th Feb '11 11:22:43 AM by shiro_okami

At this point I'm not sure if he's just genuinely clueless about how he's pissing people off, or if he's actively trolling.

In case it's the former, I'll spell it out for you, Clawshrimpy. Statements like "I don't watch sci-fi for comedy" are subjective. They apply only to yourself. There's nothing wrong with it; that's just how it is. That's fine. But then you pair it with a statement like "it's silly to [watch sci-fi for comedy]", which is objective (about everyone, not just you) and also insulting (people don't take kindly to someone telling them that their opinions are wrong). That's where you make people mad. Stop doing that.

edited 11th Feb '11 11:24:09 AM by NativeJovian