Help! I think I'm becoming a bit of a weird Fascist and Nationalist we

Sounds like a disgusting and stupid book that should have never existed.

edited 6th Feb '11 7:12:53 PM by Ukonkivi

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Hmm that was a long post and with all the views expressed there in I'm not sure how you can attach a label to anything.

Is there a concern you're being called a fascist?

If we're going with the nazis as the definition of fascism, then you'd have support corporatism as a means to run the economy, and redundant government departments competing with one another to curry favour with a great leader and then a people focused on nationalism, militarism and exclusiveness to national resources.

Why is it so painful? It may be uncomfortable or scary, but painful? Do you suffer from White guilt?

(I'm reposting this question because the thread moved quickly to the second page.)

edited 6th Feb '11 7:12:49 PM by Grain

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Wow, if you had any inkling what's going you wouldn't be saying that.

By God, could you miss the point any more?

Yeah, and we should show people footage of torture so they can deal with it.

There are some things that are pointless, unhealthy fluff to fill your brain with.

edited 6th Feb '11 7:14:22 PM by Ukonkivi

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Ukon, is this a debate, or do you genuinely want help? If it's not a debate, you should probably try to respond civilly. I know it's hard, but you aren't going to change if you don't consider other perspectives.

Edit: That said, what is wrong with you, Grain? He just posted an enormous post saying that his problems were tied to offhand comments like that. Why would you ask that?

edited 6th Feb '11 7:16:22 PM by Ultrayellow

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.

I admit that I am rather confused. I've never encountered a position about race such as yours.

Anime geemu wo shinasai!

Yeah, I'm not clear on your stance on race issues given the OP. I'm not sure how to add to this thread and I'd like you to describe it in more detail.

edited 6th Feb '11 7:15:04 PM by breadloaf

Ukon responds to discussing (not even arguing about, just discussing) the existence of racial dynamics like it's supporting incestuous rape.

edited 6th Feb '11 7:15:49 PM by Grain

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Well, if you're going to encounter torture anytime soon in your life it would be nice to know how to deal with it.

But you will encounter race issues.

Just because I have a worry, doesn't mean I have to agree with others on everything, ultrayellow.

I'm tired of people assuming that since someone is filled with worry about something, they have to assume they're wrong about everything. I may feel a bit depressed, confused, and apart, but if someone is going to tell me something at my very core I know to not be true, that talking and thinking about race is unhealthy, I'm not going to agree with them.

I'm a very open minded person. I listen to others. In fact, many people say I listen to others too much and care and consider what they think and what their opinion is too much. But there are limits to how much my brain can cave in.

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Ukon, I hate to be tactless here, but how major would you say your problems with these issues are? Are they therapist-worthy, or not? Once again, sorry for outright asking you, but I'm unsure what level of care to handle this with.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.

I do think they are therapist worthy. I just wish I had one in town to find and talk to and seek analysis fairly easy from.

I have more complexes than this one, but this one is pretty big and I'd like to tell a doctor of some sort about it.

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There's nothing wrong with nationalism provided you champion the preservation of some national virtue worth championing.

"I didn't steal it; I'm borrowing it until I die."

How about a counselor, if you're still in school? Or even if you aren't religious, some variety of priest, rabbi, etc. could probably help. Are you religious? If not, try going to a liberal church. A Protestant one, probably.

Yes Tsu, there are things wrong with nationalism. Even if you are supporting a national virtue, why not just support the virtue, while being patriotic on the side? And please don't bring your opinions about morality into this discussion. I don't think that would be very productive.

edited 6th Feb '11 7:33:27 PM by Ultrayellow

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.

Nah, I'm 25 years old. And not in college anymore right now.

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How could any kind of intellectual discourse be unhealthy? What's wrong with discussing social dynamics that affect everyone? Do you think that sociology is unhealthy? It seems that merely saying the word "race" makes you clam up, which is not open-minded behavior.

This is so perplexing that I'm not even offended, just intrigued. I want to learn more about your disposition.

edited 6th Feb '11 7:34:19 PM by Grain

Anime geemu wo shinasai!

I have to say (and please don't take this the wrong way) I agree with Grain.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.

Well, there's needing to understand the history of race, such as institutions of Black slavery in the United States and elsewhere.

And then there's things like hearing "lololololol Slavic Nazis. Hitler hated Slavs. Further proof that Slavs are idiots" and the kind of tripe that fills the internet. I would say that most works about race, and not even racist ones, people don't need exposure to. Most people can live without being told that x group must have an inferiority complex, because they do y. Or that x and y group are so different. I think that talking about race divides people. I've seen it in action, by the end of hearing it, I feel alone in the world.

Anyway, just to re-state my issue and my racial complex. I don't have white guilt. I didn't do anything to hurt black people, I didn't engage in slavery, or anything like that. So there's no reason for me to feel guilt. When I was little, I didn't think about race much. And I was interested in different cultures without worry. I figured some people might not like me doing that, but that they were probably dumb rednecks, and who cares what they think, I was being cultured and there was nothing wrong with it.

After I became exposed to more and more racial material as I got older, it got less and less fun and I got more of an inferiority complex about it. After hearing more and more about race, I felt like I had less and less business doing this. I knew more and more about the contrasts of different groups. Hearing about ethnic fetishism. People whining about Mukokuseki. People whining about race mixing. People saying that saying different cultures are connected is a racist agenda. That the cause of racism is not having racial pride. That doing something from outside of your race is delusional and looks silly, for instance a white person wearing "black" clothing. Racial discussion is a pit of loathing, even most publications. "Black Bourgeois", just to name one disturbing and gross book.

I'm not just talking about mister troll on the internet. But much of the published work on race is a bit icky. You're not missing out on the intellectual lot of life by studying Math instead of watching Dave Chappel. Or reading about Rococo instead of reading Black Bourgeois. I listening to Mozart instead of "Got Rice?". Or playing Final Fantasy VII instead of hearing people whine about how Cloud doesn't look "Japanese enough" and how Japan must have an inferiority complex. Or listening to a Korean Pop song instead of reading up on the rising problem Asian Fetishism.

edited 6th Feb '11 7:46:15 PM by Ukonkivi

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Well that's just the truth. Racism DOES divide people.

There's also nothing wrong with being interested in cultures other than your own.

IMHO, Racism is BS. Blacks calling Blacks race traitors is BS. Nazism is BS. They're traditions based on lies.

Much of the rhetoric behind the hate started with a bunch of idiots putting out nonsense. Trouble is, a lot of uneducated people believe the BS, and a lot of "cultured" people are just as ignorant.

edited 6th Feb '11 7:40:01 PM by FrodoGoofballCoTV

Race is a social construct originally intended to divide people.

It's ingrained deeply into our society. It won't disappear if we try to ignore it, but if we face it head on, we can work together to make things better in the future. Discussing the realities of this social construct, and understanding each other's feelings, can help close the gap.

Do you disagree with this, Ukon?

edited 6th Feb '11 7:45:04 PM by Grain

Anime geemu wo shinasai!

Ukon, no one can assist you with jack shit if you don't stop snarling like a wounded dog and tell us what the fuck's going on. Missing the point is the only available option if you don't actually MAKE the point.

Ninja'd. The thing is that you're taking this way too seriously. Like you said yourself, anyone that discriminates based on race is a dumbas redneck. That's as complex as it is. Average Joe needs a reason to feel better than Average Jim.

edited 6th Feb '11 7:50:33 PM by Diamonnes

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I do disagree.

The reason the Social Construct is there, is because we keep obsessing over it. A little kid in China who is 4 has no idea or care what race is about. And they're not going to keep up the existence of the social construct if they don't even know about it.

edited 6th Feb '11 7:48:21 PM by Ukonkivi

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Actually, I'm interesting in why you felt you had less business delving into the topic. What made you feel that you weren't allowed to look into the topic?

I've been trying to tell y'all the whole topic. Including the OP.:/

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Except you're being extremely vague and using mathematical concepts. :/

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