Acceptance of gays vs. view of religions

"But that does not make their beliefs pointless, or at least, not more so than the beliefs of the Christians with anti-homosexual views." - Bobby G

Well, I am speaking from an anti-religious perspective and not an anti-gay one. The idea is more so "well, if you can see through homophobic reasoning you should also see through religious reasoning" etc...

@Neo YT: You know, I've listened to Dawkins and the biggest problem I have with him is that he is a condescending asshole, in the nicest terms I can think of, to people regarding religion. Anyone who calls believing in religion, "Intellectual cowardice" is too extreme, really, to discuss anything with.

I disagree that the Bible and science answer the same questions, so that is my stance on that little matter.

But I forgot who, but when the appointment of the head of the genome project by Obama to one his science-related jobs caused the new-atheism movement to send a message, detailing, that anyone who is religious cannot be a good scientist, I learned that the movement did become militant and thus their views could be safely ignored.

I figured they were militant when they aggressively picketed the Jesus ♥ U guy on campus. Happy Atheists my rectum.

edited 24th Jan '11 2:08:45 PM by Pykrete

I'd prefer it if Jesus simply waved hello to me every so often and maybe came around the house for tea on others.

I mean I don't want to be told someone loves me out of the blue. I don't want someone to love me before I have even met them!

@Josef: Not all religions that believe in the one God believe that Jesus is a part of it or that God loves you as a person on an individual basis.

That and I've heard remarks like yours before and would like to never hear them again, thank you.

edited 24th Jan '11 2:18:28 PM by saladofstones3

Never become famous then.

I don't see what's pointless about being a Christian just because you hold a minority viewpoint with the religion. Honestly it just sounds like a bad conversion technique to take people away from Christianity who are gay, and side with them.

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Not every religion is into conversions, however.

@ neoYTPism: One can easily believe one thing but not another. To use a rather shitty analogy, my belief that the taps in this flat are a source of water is not dependant on my belief that water is good to drink. I can easily imagine believing in Jesus but not that homosexuality is wrong. The two beliefs need not have anything to do with one another.

I think one of the most important realisations I had was when I realised that it didn't matter whether my God existed or whether Jesus was the name of my God or whether my God created the world (I don't believe that any of these are the case); what matters is what God stands for, and I still believe in that. I've abandoned all kinds of beliefs, while retaining others all the while. I don't see why other people should be any different in this regard.

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Why? I like Jesus, Man was a damn fine Rabbi and teacher. I don't need to be told that he loves me though. And I certainly don't like the idea of an eternal being watching me or anyone else.

And yeah, I don't have the ambition to gain fame

More like "not every religion is as equally into conversions as others".

And not every individual within every religion is the same on stances of conversion.

Some Christians don't care if you convert.

And either way, it's a conversion sort of technique. The only other option is that it's blatant, extreme ignorance. And I'm not even sure if that's an extra option. Because either way it's trying to convert you. Whether from a Christian to an Atheist or something else.

Most commonly though, this is used at a conversion technique from Abrahamic religion to Atheism. And if Atheism is based upon Skepticism and Occam's Razor, that's a bad reason to become an Atheist.

edited 24th Jan '11 2:28:59 PM by Ukonkivi

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Actually, some religions outright discourage or ban it. There are no converts to Druze; it's not allowed.

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@ukon: Like I said, I'm talking about religion. All religion is not Christianity. and individuals within a religion don't always speak for what the religion actually says.

edited 24th Jan '11 2:32:25 PM by saladofstones

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.

^^^ Atheism isn't based on scepticism or Occam's razor. It's simply lack of belief in any deities, for whatever reason.

Of course, becoming an atheist for a stupid reason is still stupid.

edited 24th Jan '11 2:33:16 PM by BobbyG

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@bobby: Isn't it less of a lack of belief but an outright rejection of theism? A lack of belief is closer to pop-agnosticism.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.

Says who?

I mean, to me the existance of several major, mutually contradictory religions is perfect proof of the absence of an omnipotent god. I mean, a halfway compotent god would provide ample evidence to at least knock any other religgion to the status of lunatic fringe.

It's not exactly a logical reason to become an Atheist, though.

Sorry if I worded that wrong.

edited 24th Jan '11 2:35:24 PM by Ukonkivi

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@ saladofstones: No, that's a common misconception. Atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive categories. An atheist is somebody who doesn't believe in any deities; a strong atheist is somebody who firmly believes that there are no deities.

An agnostic is somebody who isn't sure whether deities exist or not. AFAIK, most self-identified atheists are also agnostic, and most self-identified agnostics are also atheists.

@ Jethro Q Walrustitty: That only follows if you assume that said omnipotent deity wants everybody to have no choice but to believe in Him.

edited 24th Jan '11 2:37:17 PM by BobbyG

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@bobby: No, an agnostic isn't someone who is sure (that is the incorrect usage) it is someone who believes the question of the existence of God CAN NEVER BE ANSWERED, which is in capitals because its a clear distinction.

Atheism outright rejects the existence of any deity.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.

They could be sure that they don't know. That's strong agnosticism.

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@Ukonkivi: Wait, lack of belief in god(s) is not a logical reason not to believe in god(s)?

[ed.] @Bobby: Well, i do admit I'm making assumptions based on Christianity and Islam, but it's no coincidence between the two, you have almost half of all people in the world. Both religions have a call to spread the word, because apparently their god can only manifest in the Fertile Crescent.

edited 24th Jan '11 2:41:30 PM by JethroQWalrustitty

@ saladofstones: No, I'm telling you, that is incorrect. You have given the definitions of strong atheism and strong agnosticism respectively, but they are not the only forms of atheism and agnosticism.

Look it up if you don't believe me.

@ Tzetze: Good point. A more accurate definition would simply be "somebody who doesn't know".

edited 24th Jan '11 2:39:37 PM by BobbyG

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@Bobby: The other ones sound too much like not wanting to commit to an answer.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.

No more than zero is a negative number.

If you don't know the answer, how are you supposed to commit to one? That sounds rash and irrational to me.

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