Experiment: Autistic Culture/Customs [add on please].

Let's assume an autistic nation is formed. How would this work? Well I'll post some examples.

Tips for living in an autistic nation:

1# Do not use threats or intimidation against autistic people, as individuals or as a group. Doing so in negotiations has a bad affect; the autistics may simply call your bluff and risk whatever you threaten rather than surrender to your posturing. Due to past experiences as a collective and individually with bullies and threats they will rather adopt a "Come at me bro" attitude and their politicians reflect this.

2# "Polite Lies" do not exist in autistic society, at least not to the same level that exists in neurotypical society. Autistic people are less likely to lie over 'polite lie' situations and in general due to a cultural disdain for deceit.

add on please =]

#3 All movies/TV shows will be required to add subtitles for mouthed words.

edited 20th Jan '11 10:30:39 PM by Sivartis

^make that a national law, and make a regulation requiring that the subtitles are in eye dialect to factor in the dialect or whatnot

How would an autistic nation function, actually? Is it made up of just high-functioning ones, or the whole spectrum? This hypothetical situation is interesting, but it has a lot of logistical problems, like economy and whatnot.

Not trying to be an ass, moreso I'm trying to get more of a grasp on this hypothetical situation.

I was thinking it would start with HF As then as the nation grows it'd try to add in LF Auties into its' population. I remember there being wrongplanet threads on this subject, or at least the 'Aspie Republic' idea, unfortunately WP is down, which is part of why I posted it here first instead of vice-versa.

edited 20th Jan '11 10:40:57 PM by BalloonFleet

Ah, ok. Well, I know it would be a nation of specialists, to be sure. But then again I don't really know enough about autistic people to make well-informed additions to this topic.

k EDIT:

1. 4. Reading Autistic People is relatively easier, and harder for neurotypicals due to their wiring. You can likely simply ask them and they will explain their mental dispositions, or give it away freely in discussion with other people. IT is harder to neurotypicals as neurotypicals focus on body language and posturing to a larger level. Many aspies by default stay in a 'mute/neutral' facial expression and rarely change that. That does not give away their facial expressions

2. 5. Autistic culture is very anti-hierarchical and factional. Various autistic cliques are formed and it is hard to gain a consensus in the autistic nation. A better term may be to refer to them as a "united tribes" of autism or something similar. There are strong anarchist strains in autistic culture, yet some aspects of the culture might have excessive rules [e.g. ritualized and detailed rituals dealing with public transportation]

3. 6. The concept of 'personal space' is limited in autistic culture. The distance that autistics and neurotypicals talk to each other is noticeably smaller than the distance neurotypicals from the same culture they immigrated from talk to.

4. 7. Referring to yourself in the third person is used by a plurality of people in the society. Government officials, politicians and whatnot use that when they are in political discussions, debates and whatnot - partially to avoid narciccism and "neurotypicality"

5. 8. Staring at someone or excessively avoiding someone's gaze is not "dishonesty" or "intimidating or provoking a fight" unlike in many neurotypical cultures.

6. 9. Any such analogies, or metaphors are not used as much - speaking in Jive or using large amounts of neurotypical slang will not work. By default people use the formal words to describe things, and rarely use NT-based slang. Aspie 'slang' or metaphors etc are often technology or science-based - e.g. referring to a brain as a 'processor' etc etc.

7. 10 "colored people time", "Filipino Time" or whatever delayed times DO NOT EXIST. If they say they will be there at a certain time, they WILL be at that time, plue or minus 5 minutes at most. The "3 hour delay" does not apply, if you do this you will cause anger as that is a major annoance.

EDIT: remember this link guys http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~alistair/survival/index.html

edited 20th Jan '11 11:28:28 PM by BalloonFleet

Auties may seek the company of other auties for many reasons. Common reasons are wanting to socialise, to develop social skills, to address personal quality of life issues or simply to communicate with each other vocationally.

Know what it is that you're trying to accomplish by entering the community, stick to your goals and let others go about accomplishing theirs.

Know your w:MBTI type. Many of the major autistic spectrum sub-groups some people insist on seeing can be attributed to this, and many of the battle lines in conflicts are drawn along their borders.

Above all, try your absolute best to remain constructive, even when people around you are not. And although you should never reward bad behaviour, it's best to never over-react.

Unwritten social rules can be broken into two groups. Ones regulating destructive behaviour, and ones regulating eccentric behaviour. XXX Insert Relationship Building Skills Comment Here XXX The eccentric behaviour rules can usually be dropped in autie social circles, but when the destructive behaviour rules are dropped, things can turn very bad.

If you are the leader of a community, think very carefuly about the rules you choose. Autistic spectrum people in general usually measure everything in terms of equality/equity and are often unforgiving.

KNOW that the words "mature" and "develop" do not apply to autistic spectrum people the way they apply to non-autistic people. A non-autistic person "develops" and an autistic spectrum person "learns social skills". In the same way, a non-autistic person would have to "learn" in whatever field of interest an autistic spectrum person "develops".

Separating the "person" from their "behaviour" is a good tool in trying to work out who someone is.

If you are lucky enough to be in a successful relationship, be careful what you say and do reguarding it in autie social circles.

This cannot be stressed enough. Public displays of affection and innuendo between lovers is a major cause of ill feeling and conflict in autistic spectrum circles.

Many of us are not in worthwhile relationships and despair at ever being able to find one and unless you are willing to open up and share large amounts of personal information, you are likely to invoke bad feelings by flaunting what you have.

Don't try to get away with it by being discreet or by saying it gives hope to certain people. Most auties KNOW how much hope there is and are smart enough to decipher your discretion. What irks people is that they simply don't know what it is that makes a worthwhile relationship work and that other people are rarely willing to share. Furthermore, being direct about this issue exposes one to ridicule, even in autistic spectrum circles.

If you try to use your success to raise your social status amongst auties, expect pain. Many auties simply cross people who do that off their "people worth talking to" list. Nastier and more confusing reactions are common. Particularly when that doesn't work.

If you feel like disclosing to other people intimate details for educational purposes but fear the consequences, consider doing so anonymously. Your contribution will surely be valued even if you resort to doing this.

Don't insist that people change in any particular way that seems to have been successful for other people. Different people measure success in different ways, and doing so when someone is unwilling or unable to see the benefit contributes to a lack of TRUST that is extremely valuable in teacher/student relationships.

It's important to understand that there are good reasons why an autie may ignore advice from others, even though they may complain openly about their current situation. Many of us have experienced varying levels of success according to the NT definition but have not found any value in doing so.

Successfully adapting to an NT world leads to serious quality of life issues for many auties. Putting large amounts of valuable energy into surviving the social status game when there is little to nothing in the way of pay off except promise is depressing. Particularly if one realises that ones effort in life has been largely wasted or misused by others.

If you feel the need to help another autie, it's often best to just find out what it is they want/need and offer help to achieve that if you feel you can.

Avoid forming fixed notions of what autism is at all costs. This is another leading cause of disputes within autistic spectrum communities.

To understand what autism IS, one must realise that it has largely been defined as simply being different to people who aren't autistic.

Yes, there are certain common characteristics that many autistic spectrum people seem to share and that many non-autistic people don't. This doesn't mean that all auties are the same or that some auties are more worthy of speaking for other auties.

Auties who have experienced NT life often bring their survival behaviours and "baggage" back into the autie world. It is true that this is not helpful, but throwing them out because of this isn't helpful either.

Give up the idea of organising the "autistic community". There may be communities of autistic spectrum people, but there is no autistic community. This should come as no surprise if you understand that "the average autie" is very wary of being controlled.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Autistic_Survival_Guide#Suggestions_for_Autistic_Spectrum_community_building

It's funny as I see similarities from that and how some imageboards I browse are structured, e.g. tohno-chan and /jp/ on 4chan in a way. ESPECIALLY the "don't fucking flaunt your relationshits and "don't flaunt your normalfaggotry" to the point of "hinting to it pisses off people".

And the whole bitching about telling people to "change" and whatnot. And survival behaviors they bring back to infect tha imageboard with normalfaggotry...

edited 20th Jan '11 11:47:30 PM by BalloonFleet

Autists vs non-autists

Autistic people can "connect" if they have common interests. Outside of that, the communication problems can be just as difficult as between autists and non-autists.

It is possible for autists and non-autists to "connect" as long as both parties can compensate for each others communication weaknesses.

The work required by both parties to get to this point can be enough of a mind bender to make it difficult for a person to be able to communicate with their own kind if they make habits of the communication techniques that make this possible.

Non-autistic people tend to learn by example and memorise by rote repetition.

Autistic people learn by being able to find accurate visualised representations of the lesson, and gain faith in those visualisations by seeing them work in action.

Non-autistic people tend to get all aspects of social interaction 50-99% right all the time.

Autistic people can get aspects 100% right or 200% wrong, yet rarely, if ever will an autistic person be able to achieve 50% of all of them.

Non-autistic people seem to make a game of judging each other by how close they get to 100% (see section on confidence). This may be at least part of the reason that it is difficult to get explanations out of non-autistic people. It can be seen as an attempt to cheat the game.

[edit]Random, as yet unstructured thoughts

It is necessary to let some negative emotions "radiate". If you don't permit yourself to do this sometimes, things can reach a boiling point and explode inappropriately.

Nice Guy Syndrome: XXX

Although autistic people seem to be incapable of reading the emotions of others, the emotions they express are VERY readable by others. The confusion others have in reading those emotions are in the fact that the emotions often don't make sense. This is true in reverse too. Fear and aggression are emotions that are communicated across species, and between autistic and non autistic people. They are "reliable emotions". The relationships between sociopaths and autists, and sociopaths and non-autistics are likely to be worth exploring.

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Autistic_Survival_Guide#Random_Notes

edited 20th Jan '11 11:50:24 PM by BalloonFleet

""colored people time", "Filipino Time" or whatever delayed times DO NOT EXIST. If they say they will be there at a certain time, they WILL be at that time, plue or minus 5 minutes at most. The "3 hour delay" does not apply, if you do this you will cause anger as that is a major annoance."

Then I wouldn't fit in well there. Part of my flavour of autism is poor time sense.

# 6. The concept of 'personal space' is limited in autistic culture. The distance that autistics and neurotypicals talk to each other is noticeably smaller than the distance neurotypicals from the same culture they immigrated from talk to.

Funny, I would say that there would be more personal space, not less.

Yeah, but a lot of that is due to autistics being embedded within a non-autistic culture. Once autistics are the majority, certain things will change. If we assume that they have somehow managed to develop an effectively functioning society, then that means they must somehow have found a way to compensate for certain things. I think that point about developing a lot of formal rules to govern public behavior is a telling one. You know, there are already certain cultures in the world that place a high emphasis on formal public rituals, like Japan. I've always wondered if the autistic experience is different there, but I've never seen any study on it.

How would they handle hostilities especially if they come up against a superior enemy military body?

What about interaction with other neurotypical nations?

How would they handle hostilities especially if they come up against a superior enemy military body?

The classic "hold them off at your borders and/or let them invade your border zones to let you regroup in your core regions and use natural terrain or whatnot as force multipliers for defense" plan.

What about interaction with other neurotypical nations

I've had ideas like using medium-functioning autistics to train as intel agents to learn NT culture as they are close enough to NT to learn the neurotypical culture of said country(ies), but also autie enough not to forget their roots unlike Aspies (who might end up becoming absorbed into NT cultures or the countries they are sent to, and the countries' diplomats might use that cultural immersion to get them to betray their nation).

Or choosing autistic diplomats who think the most like average neurotypicals from said countries' culture to make the mind difference less shocking/alien to the neurotypical diplomats.....but "Ass" in Ambassador probably will come into effect anyway, and autistic diplomacy will likely be very straight-and-to-the-point (e.g. no spending hours on dinners just to get people 'in a socialiing mood' or whatever they use as an excuse to do that in places) =P

I've had ideas that those sorts of autists might end up being shunned by their nation, or that the selection needed for those intel agents should be as rigorous as it is for military personnel from current-day countries (early 2010s CE) to handle nuclear weapons to prevent there being a sort of bias against auties who know NT skills, as they might use them to manipulate the rest of the autistic nation - e.g. the screening to prevent that. But hay thay're not neurotypical so it's lessened there.

When I say 'shunned' I mean like the people who were affected by nuclear weapons in Japan (hibushka) or (some of the) overseas japanese who spent long periods of time in foreign cultures.

EDIT: Autistic diplomats would be accompanied by 1 or 2 autistics who remember autie culture, but would be able to understand the N Ts' logic from a neutral POV (but cant or wont emote like a NT). They would be able to override the person who thinks like a NT if that person is going to do things to endanger the nation.....as they might accidentally do from empathizing too much with the N Ts. So they'd be like political commissars.....

edited 21st Jan '11 11:31:41 PM by BalloonFleet

Anyone else find something fucked up with the idea of putting a bunch of autistics together in a country, not because you think it's a good idea, but because it's an "Experiment" (to quote the thread title)?

edited 21st Jan '11 10:54:16 PM by OOZE

When I meant "experiment" I meant "a collective social brainstorming to think of a plan." It's not Tuskegee =P

Yeah, but a lot of that is due to autistics being embedded within a non-autistic culture.

Yeah, a lot of what I quoted comes from that. But I'd think things like a relative lack of public affection by politicians and diplomats would be something that would continue out of sheer cultural inertia and lingering hatred of all things 'neurotyical' for some times in the future. Basically a lot or Marc Segar's stuff is stuff that would probably exist to a lesser point as time goes on.

O I think that point about developing a lot of formal rules to govern public behavior is a telling one. You know, there are already certain cultures in the world that place a high emphasis on formal public rituals, like Japan. I've always wondered if the autistic experience is different there, but I've never seen any study on it.

That's part of what reminded me of that, the Japanese rituals and customs re. public transportation. That and my experiences with chicago public transport. E.g. lack of regularized patterns from bus drivers/screwed up schedules and ghetto jackass bus drivers. Also the damn LED signs not working all the times of buses constantly being rerouted to different lines when the bus reaches a transit terminal. E.g. replace that with dedicated bus lanes or reintroduce trolleys/trams or whatnot.

I remember a Singaporean chinese guy posting on wrongplanet on how life was for him in singapore. You should probably make a thread on WP there or dig for that information.....

Then I wouldn't fit in well there. Part of my flavour of autism is poor time sense.

Well I guess it'd depend on situations, e.g. dates would be one thing that would come up as a massive piss-off. Also "playing hard-to-get" and other bullshit games earn you no love in autistic nation. It pisses everyone off at you and gets you noticed as a foreigner =P

...well depends on the amount of immigration from NT cultures there may be times when autistics are stuck wit that pattern and the culture will relax.....

Funny, I would say that there would be more personal space, not less.

I'd say 'personal space' is idiosyncratic to a larger extent, and not just from large immigration from NT cultures....

edited 21st Jan '11 11:08:53 PM by BalloonFleet

Ooze. Take a deep breath lad. It's mostly Speculation something OTC is rather fond of.

Hmm Do you think there would be enough Auties to function the way a military does or would there be an noticeable impediments to that?

Yes there would be a significant impediment to running an autistic nation like a military. see point #5 listed above

5. Autistic culture is very anti-hierarchical and factional. Various autistic cliques are formed and it is hard to gain a consensus in the autistic nation. A better term may be to refer to them as a "united tribes" of autism or something similar. There are strong anarchist strains in autistic culture, yet some aspects of the culture might have excessive rules [e.g. ritualized and detailed rituals dealing with public transportation]

It's like during the revolutionary war when the prussian officer wrote on how the colonial militia wouldnt obey any orders unless they were told WHY they had to do things a certain way/the logic of it? It'd be like that only the culture would be much harder to change/be ingrained. Likely the factionalism will lessen over time (so it's not like 1920s China with warlords everywhere and competive nationalist governments in different cities and whatnot) but the nation will not be truly unified. Unless a collective counciousness is formed. Or the nation is threatened with annihilation.

Sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you Tuefel Hunden IV

edited 21st Jan '11 11:33:07 PM by BalloonFleet

I meant for a military force proper. Not a nation militant. I meant like an organized military group like the most nations have.

Didn't seem like an attack at all merely a statement of the way things tend to be. Ok I glossed that one over for some reason but it does explain my question. I could see something like a chain of agreements to provide military effort with carefully worded treaties.

edited 21st Jan '11 11:25:28 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Given all the nerds and 'self-diagnosed' aspies and whatnot who managed to enter the military....probably yes, as they'd probably end up going into intel or technology, or deception units (e.g. that WWII US unit that was stationed in north africa that was full of artists and actors, and they basically set up dummy units and helped plan deceptions). The thing is that the 'professional military' would likely be very small, for understandable reasons (e.g. how it stunts growth as what happens with Israel and North Korea).

I'd honestly expect a weaker (well 'skinnier') force (compared to other countries) of 'living' people with a lot of robotics and automatic defenses used to make up for a lack of a large population base and a population that is not suited (or does not want to be suited in a lot of cases) to military life in general.

edited 21st Jan '11 11:25:23 PM by BalloonFleet

Do not use threats or intimidation against autistic people, as individuals or as a group. Doing so in negotiations has a bad affect; the autistics may simply call your bluff and risk whatever you threaten rather than surrender to your posturing.

...because there is no chance whatsoever non-autistic people will display this behaviour, right? See Saddam Hussein threatening with suicide attacks in Western cities and the US calling his bluff.

Reading Autistic People is relatively easier, and harder for neurotypicals due to their wiring. You can likely simply ask them and they will explain their mental dispositions, or give it away freely in discussion with other people. IT is harder to neurotypicals as neurotypicals focus on body language and posturing to a larger level. Many aspies by default stay in a 'mute/neutral' facial expression and rarely change that. That does not give away their facial expressions

This varies A LOT. Some autists are very capable of displaying body language or understanding a large part of it, while some neurotypicals kinda really suck at reading body language or display divergent body language, usually for cultural/educative reasons.

The concept of 'personal space' is limited in autistic culture. The distance that autistics and neurotypicals talk to each other is noticeably smaller than the distance neurotypicals from the same culture they immigrated from talk to.

Physical or social distance?

Referring to yourself in the third person is used by a plurality of people in the society. Government officials, politicians and whatnot use that when they are in political discussions, debates and whatnot - partially to avoid narciccism and "neurotypicality"

I have to say that of the two dozen or so fellow autists I've met, none of them referred to themselves in the third person.

Staring at someone or excessively avoiding someone's gaze is not "dishonesty" or "intimidating or provoking a fight" unlike in many neurotypical cultures.

There's "staring" and "staring". One means "looking at a fixed point near/behind another person", the other means "staring in their eyes".

speaking in Jive or using large amounts of neurotypical slang will not work.

Slang or specific expressions and their meaning can be memorized.

EDIT: remember this link guys http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~alistair/survival/index.html

So, book written by one person on how he himself can deal with his Asperger's, including tips for others? Which means: YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary), as what is said in his book likely is not universally applicable to anyone with autism.

You seem to be treating autistic persons as a syndrome, not as individuals who are autistic but vary in how much they express the various symptoms. It is called the autistic spectrum for a reason.

Yeah, but a lot of that is due to autistics being embedded within a non-autistic culture. Once autistics are the majority, certain things will change.

Wishful thinking. Many, many people have said this about a variety of political systems, and it doesn't happen. For the worse examples, see communism.

The classic "hold them off at your borders and/or let them invade your border zones to let you regroup in your core regions and use natural terrain or whatnot as force multipliers for defense" plan.

What if it fails? What if the terrain is not apt for such a defense? What if the enemy doesn't actually use troops, but cruise missiles? What if the enemy has your nation infiltrated?

I've had ideas like using medium-functioning autistics to train as intel agents to learn NT culture as they are close enough to NT to learn the neurotypical culture of said country(ies), but also autie enough not to forget their roots unlike Aspies (who might end up becoming absorbed into NT cultures or the countries they are sent to, and the countries' diplomats might use that cultural immersion to get them to betray their nation).

Or choosing autistic diplomats who think the most like average neurotypicals from said countries' culture to make the mind difference less shocking/alien to the neurotypical diplomats.....but Ass In Ambassador probably will come into effect anyway, and autistic diplomacy will likely be very straight-and-to-the-point (e.g. no spending hours on dinners just to get people 'in a socialiing mood' or whatever they use as an excuse to do that in places) =P

I've had ideas that those sorts of autists might end up being shunned by their nation, or that the selection needed for those intel agents should be as rigorous as it is for military personnel from current-day countries (early 2010s CE) to handle nuclear weapons to prevent there being a sort of bias against auties who know NT skills, as they might use them to manipulate the rest of the autistic nation - e.g. the screening to prevent that. But hay thay're not neurotypical so it's lessened there.

When I say 'shunned' I mean like the people who were affected by nuclear weapons in Japan (hibushka) or (some of the) overseas japanese who spent long periods of time in foreign cultures.

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Several problems here:

• Any such mediumautistic people would automatically want to do that job?
• You can't decide the rules to apply to diplomatic interaction with neurotypicals by yourself. The neurotypicals will want to have their say, and simply ignoring social rules won't work. But you know that quite well, since otherwise you wouldn't need those almost NT autists, right?
• You make a caricature of what social interaction is. Socializing is not required for a large part of business-related social interaction. Worse, it is perfectly possible to socialize by talking about your work/passions.

I'm wondering why an autistic culture seems to be assumed to be anti-NT. Couldn't we just think they're strange but not sinister?

Where would NLD fit in?

Fascinating discussion.

Militarily, they would probably set themselves up to play defense for as long as possible, staying out of other people's business, until someone somewhere "crosses the line" and then they go all out. So a defensive citizen force with a core professional military and the ability to rapidly ramp up in a crisis. Sort of like Israel.

How they would govern themselves is an interesting question. A highly centralized federal system is probably out. So perhaps a looser confederacy, where as many powers as possible are reserved for local governments? They need a small but capable central authority to provide things like standards and resources for public health and safety.

They must have found a way to lick the dating thing. After all- no self-sustaining society without families and children, right? Makes me wonder where the necessary number of women will come from, given the gender difference in rates of ASD's. Immigration? That makes for a hybrid society, which introduces it's own issues. As for linking people up, perhaps the government runs a massive dating service, or maybe they go in for arranged marriages. "Life Skills" must a major part of the public education curriculum- as important as the classical core of reading and math.

EDIT: i will likely end up 'polishing' this post eventually and i will answer the other posts:

...because there is no chance whatsoever non-autistic people will display this behaviour, right?

No, I expect they'll try to use pressure tactics - and I point out that shit aint gonna work

See Saddam Hussein threatening with suicide attacks in Western cities and the US calling his bluff.

Remember my 'backed into a corner' thing? If the autistic nation is pulling out a kamikaze/gyouksai/samson plan to use.....well things have reached an impasse and even neurotypical cultures would have issues there....

This varies A LOT. Some autists are very capable of displaying body language or understanding a large part of it, while some neurotypicals kinda really suck at reading body language or display divergent body language, usually for cultural/educative reasons.

This is a cultural setting so it would still work as a 'default setting' that people use, unless they feel more confortable. Just as you ask people if you want to refer to them with a diminutive or whatever thing that is socially not set in stone.

Physical or social distance?

Physical I meant, but social distance would also probably factor in there - ESPECIALLY with those from 'warm' neurotypical cultures that are all huggy and touchy-feely and social (e.g. Brazilians)

I have to say that of the two dozen or so fellow autists I've met, none of them referred to themselves in the third person.

Ive seen enough do it online, or discuss it on wrongplanet about how they wanted to do that just to see how N Ts work, or because they have issues with those concepts. I also remember a book dealing with a guy who acted like that....

Again it's a cultural trend that will probably come out of political identification, and will likely stay.

Slang or specific expressions and their meaning can be memorized.

Yeha but it changes a lot in a 'neurotypical' manner - so there will probably be a sort of cultural bais against 'foreign' terms and languages, and that they'd probably 'aspiefy' the terms or translate it to loglan or whatever to 'cleanse it of normalfaggotry' or whatnot/.

So, book written by one person on how he himself can deal with his Asperger's, including tips for others? Which means: YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary), as what is said in his book likely is not universally applicable to anyone with autism. You seem to be treating autistic persons as a syndrome, not as individuals who are autistic but vary in how much they express the various symptoms. It is called the autistic spectrum for a reason.

Well AFAIK that link points out that it has been disagreed on by some people, but I -did- like some aspects of his guide and liked his mantality - e.g. subfactions in autistic nation, INT Ps would be the majority bu other sides would have their own issues.

Wishful thinking. Many, many people have said this about a variety of political systems, and it doesn't happen. For the worse examples, see communism.

A lot of this would end up being a sort of phantom shadow for a period of time - e.g. the 'no publc displays of affection' or 'be very sparing in displaying that stuff'. I'm sure that'll last a few generations in some very aspie places.

What if it fails? What if the terrain is not apt for such a defense? What if the enemy doesn't actually use troops, but cruise missiles? What if the enemy has your nation infiltrated?

Then you adapt. And if the enemy infiltrates an aspie state......I'd find that in a way funny, in a way WT Fesque. As in im reminded of the whole 'CIA interrogating autistic people and how they'll have to retool their style of interrogation, like 'just ask the guy up front' or whatnot? Or how they underestimate the autists and they do most of the planning and shit, as the CIA interrogation is full of neurotypicals (see my other thread on identiifcation in an internet war)

Several problems here: Any such mediumautistic people would automatically want to do that job?

I dunno you are recruiting them...I mean I am

You can't decide the rules to apply to diplomatic interaction with neurotypicals by yourself. The neurotypicals will want to have their say, and simply ignoring social rules won't work. But you know that quite well, since otherwise you wouldn't need those almost NT autists, right?

Correct, hence those people who 'interact' with the N Ts using their culture. But the two diplomatic commisars keep them from being too swept up in neurotypicality.

You make a caricature of what social interaction is. Socializing is not required for a large part of business-related social interaction. Worse, it is perfectly possible to socialize by talking about your work/passions.

Depending on the culture you have to make up some BS of a rapport with them before you do the sheer business, or you set up some weird limiting as to how much you will bargain for, or whatever is done based off the place.

edited 27th Jan '11 10:38:01 PM by BalloonFleet