Even a notorious horn dog like Bond has a “personality kills it” line, evidently, and “wants to nuke eight million people to flip the finger to abusive daddy and also oil profits” is it.
All the Bond actors had great chemistry with Desmond Llewelyn as Q as well. That final scene he had in World is Not Enough is great. Not sure if they knew it was his final scene at the time, but it doesn't take away from the deeper meaning at all though.
One of the things I miss about the old Bond (Connery and Moore in particular) is his Encyclopaedic Knowledge when he is familiar with any subject from Diamonds, poisons, weapon technology, archeology, and rare birds.
Which usually annoyed M, something that I found to be funny.
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Weaponizng Hidden Depths to get over on the boss. Classic.
Edited by Avenger09 on Jan 31st 2024 at 6:38:24 PM
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Wonder if that would work against Judi M.
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Look at her epic response in Goldeneye and you'll see. 
Double points to the fact Elektra wants to go from being "already a billionaire in a notoriously sincure business like oil" to "super ultra trillionaire."
But that's just Bond villains in general.
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Well yeah, how can you be satisfied being a billionaire, when you have the chance to be a trillionaire?
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It also has the "do not look at these movies too closely" point that Russia could build more pipelines around Turkey.
Like...they did in real life to reach Europe directly.
Why make billions when you can make...millions.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Jan 31st 2024 at 2:01:39 AM
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@futuremoviewriter The World Is Not Enough was Desmond Llewelyn's last appearance as Q since he died after the filming wrapped. Had Die Another Day been a hit then John Cleese would've taken over as the new Q.
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There's also Goldfinger's plan to monopolize the gold market, and therefore the global economy, by nuking and irradiating all the gold in Fort Knox and Kananga's plan to drive the drug cartels out of the US market by performing the biggest free giveaway in marketing history.
Edited by KRider on Jan 31st 2024 at 3:05:31 AM
John Cleese DID take over as the new Q in Die Another Day.
I meant had Die Another Die succeeded, John Cleese would've stayed past that movie as Q. Instead, that movie's failure resulted in the official reboot that is the Daniel Craig era.
Almost forgot another Bond villain plot where money is the main objective: Zorin planning to monopolize the tech industry by flooding all of Silicon Valley and not only ruining its infrastructure but also killing everyone in it.
Edited by KRider on Jan 31st 2024 at 3:49:07 AM
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Honestly, I wonder what the movies would be like if Die Another Day succeeded.
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Simple, it'll be more of the same that we had in the Connery, Moore and Brosnan eras, Pierce Brosnan possibly staying for a couple more movies as well as possibly a Jinx spinoff film. Bond tackling a supervillain version/fusion of Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson would be a sight indeed. Not to mention Bond tackling expies of Trump, Putin, Xi Jinping and possibly even Yahya Sinwar.
Edited by KRider on Jan 31st 2024 at 3:54:08 AM
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So we discussed The World is not enough, but I actually want to ask this thread what they think the motto means exactly.
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According to wikipedia
"The eventual title The World Is Not Enough is an English translation of the Latin phrase Orbis non sufficit, the motto of Bond's supposed real-world ancestor Sir Thomas Bond. In the novel On Her Majesty's Secret Service and its film adaptation, it is first claimed to be James Bond's family motto as well.
The phrase Orbis non sufficit is thought to originate from the Pharsalia by Lucan. It appears twice, both with uncomplimentary associations: the first reference is to a group of villainous mutineers, and the second is to the ambitious Julius Caesar. It was then applied to Alexander the Great by Juvenal in his collection of satirical poems, the Satires: "The world was not big enough for Alexander the Great, but a coffin was". Phrased as Non sufficit orbis, it became the motto of the Spanish king Philip II after ascending the Portuguese throne in 1580."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Is_Not_Enough
Basically it refers to excessive ambition, in this case Elektra's.
Edited by KRider on Feb 1st 2024 at 12:43:45 PM
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I figured that was the case, since Bond utters the motto in response to Elektra boasting she could have given him the world.
And the world is not enough to buy off Bond. He might be a symbol of English power, but his commitment is respectable at least.
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I love that the movie’s banger of a theme song is essentially a We Can Rule Together speech sung from Elektra’s perspective to either Bond or Renard.
“The world is not enough… but it is such a perfect place to start… my love…”
Also has the line “No one ever died from wanting too much.” Well, except YOU, Elektra. And Blofeld, and Goldfinger, and Drax, Orlov, Zorin…
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I do think Elektra was manipulating Renard but had genuine feelings for Bond in a way only she can.
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Such discussions are why are there are debates on who is the real villain of The World is Not Enough.
There's a lot going on in the movie, part of why I like it, but my rough interpretation is:
- Renard is Why We Are Bummed Communism Fell and was looking for something else to believe in. He fell in love with Elektra during a kidnapping because she's meant to be super-humanly charismatic.
- Bond assumes that Renard tortured her (especially when he's describing their sexual encounters) when it's entirely possible all of her injuries were self-inflicted.
- Renard is a Death Seeker and hoping Bond will kill him.
- Bond falls in love with Elektra because it's an established thing that Bond has a thing for Broken Birds (big red flag there but that's Bond). He thinks of her as another Tracy or woman to rescue.
- Renard is actually aware that Elektra is manipulating him but doesn't have anything else to live for. He's also aware she's replacing him with Bond.
- Elektra, herself, is actually just a Psychopathic Woman Child. Neither man is actually seeing the real Elektra who is only putting on a persona of a deeper person. We see how deeply immature she is only a bit at the end.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 1st 2024 at 7:48:41 AM
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Elektra being an impressive inversion of a Bond Girl is definitely one of the most effective things about that movie. Had I seen it as a kid, I suspect I would've rewatched it numerous times. When I finally did see it as an adult in my early 20s, I did have a strong fondness for it despite its flaws.
With A View to a Kill—the DT Bad Movie Roast stream was last night by the way, many fans forgive it its trespasses. I think that in part is not just because of its goofiness and having Christopher Walken kill it as Zorin, but with it marking the end of Roger Moore's Bond era as well.
I heard Desmond Llewelyn's final appearance was not actually supposed to be The World is Not Enough—or that he at least would still pop up from time to time in future films, but then his tragic car crash did indeed make it his last after all. Also, John Cleese I'd heard was contracted for two or three more movies starting with Die Another Day, so there you go there too.
Edited by futuremoviewriter on Feb 2nd 2024 at 10:41:43 AM
I think they went as far as they could with Bond falling in love with a Bond villain with Elektra. Once Bonds finds out they've crossed the Moral Event Horizon, then he has to do what he does.
Robert Carlyle's problem is that he's the most Scottish Russian in film except for maybe General Pushkin.
Which seems like it would have the two nickels joke there.
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