Metroid

Probably. According to that pretty stupid semi canon(I keep referring to it since it seems to be based on Sakamoto's supervision considering how it is rather similar to what he has said in Zero Mission related interviews <_< It was produced to promote Zero mission after all...) manga, they do at least genetically manipulate themselves to adapt to planets their invade, so I doubt nobody really would be surprised if they are tank bred.

edited 19th Apr '14 12:21:26 PM by SpookyMask

That's kind of complicated by the fact that Elites aren't natural.

Er, well, whatever the stronger pirates are called at the time.

Speaking of stronger pirates... Its a crime that those two ninja pirates haven't made a comeback

edited 19th Apr '14 12:36:09 PM by SpookyMask

Or maybe they did, and we just never saw them. They're that good.

Or maybe they are the reason we didn't see more than 2 SA-X. They were too busy being murdered by ninja pirates wondering what in the world was going on.

Still, Other M would have 100% percent better game if it had kung fu fight between Samus and a ninja pirate :P Imagine it, gun crab fu, jetpack powered kicks....

Ya know, when you think about it... Regular pirates from main games are much more impressive than normal pirates in prime games :P They have two crab claw canons, they have inbuilt jetpack for jumping and whatever, they are really good at climbing... The pirates in Primes always need seperate variety with jetpack, have only one gun and so on

You do fight ninja pirates in Fusion, though, right? There are rooms where five or so X will contrive to fuse into one gold ninja pirate.

Only two ninja pirates in the whole series are the two before Ridley's room in Super Metroid. The term refers to those two since they attack by jump kicking

Also, they throw projectiles instead of shooting lasers <_<

edited 19th Apr '14 1:15:26 PM by SpookyMask

Turns out it takes decades of training and enchancements to be able to fight like that and deflect missiles and Samus wiped out the only two that the pirates had.

They've started training new ones but its going to take some time.

So, here's a topic that's come up in another forum.

Were the Metroids an actual threat that needed to be wiped out, or were the Federation and Samus exterminating a largely unprovoked target?

Arguments for the later note that the Metroids seemed to be a completely nonviable combat solution for the Pirates to use, as they can't seem to produce too many of them, and they tend to turn on the Pirates as soon as their containment is breached, and that the Pirates would be better just using bombs and stuff. The thinking seems to go that the Pirates couldn't have done too much damage, and he Federation would have done better just keeping people the hell away from SR-388.

That's what my hypothetical game was supposed to address. They need to be a devastating threat on their own, such that it's too risky to even attempt to keep outsiders away. We see that they're dangerous, but not so much that genocide is the best option.

And there were only thirty-some of them anyway, all in one cave.

And I don't think they should be, because the idea that it was mostly unprovoked works better to me.

Super and Fusion are both all about the way that the Metroids aren't so bad when they aren't being dicked around with. The Chozo created the Metroids, and while Pirates and Federation screwing with Chozo stuff is dangerous, I don't think the Metroids should be a horrific, unmanageable threat on their own. At the very least because of the lack of space travel.

And, I mean, the Federation ordering a complete genocide is one of those things that does fit with the "the Federation are secretly dicks" thing that Fusion and Other M used.

That does raise the question of why Samus went along with it.

"Kay, I'm tired of dealing with them anyway." - possible answer.

edited 19th Apr '14 4:27:05 PM by Bocaj

It doesn't even necessarily have to be on their own - even an instance of Metroids being weaponized effectively by a force that is more competent than the Space Pirates would probably show what the GF was thinking.

I would prefer to think that the Metroids represent a grave threat that can't be ignored just because even if the GF are dicks, I'd prefer if Samus isn't the kind of person who would commit genocide just for a paycheck.

Well, she isn't- She captured a Metroid Hatchling alive at the end of II.

And stuffed it in a capsule so tha people could do science to it.

I'm slightly irritated actually that engine limitations or whatever prevented Samus from finding any trace of the missing duders and their ships. I mean, they may well not even be part of the story.

At least Prime 2 gave us our fair share of doomed distress call soldiers.

Quick: tell the AM 2 R folks to include this.

Alternatively, the people who went there before her all turned to dust.

edited 19th Apr '14 4:36:32 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

Where did the Federation get the idea that a single Metroid could bring down a planetary civilization? Even a Queen Metroid isn't that strong from what we've seen.

Hm, the Metroids were extinct for about 30 seconds. I wonder what Samus was thinking in that time-frame.

Well, perhaps if the civilization in question had no ice weaponry, or outposts in arctic areas.

"After this, I should go pick up some baby-back ribs."

If a Metroid game ever features hand-to-hand combat when up-close, it had better have a CQC-only boss battle against a ninja pirate.