Extra Credits

China does seem to have an abundance of hackers.

So yeah, with a bit of luck, this will backfire spectacularly. The fact that they are trying to pull something like this is terrifying enough, though.

It shows a hilarious lack of understanding for people.

There are those of us compelled to cheat systems that have no real life consequences.

Dangle an honest to god carrot in front of someone's face, they will find some scissor to cut the string.

But that does have real-life consequences.

Yes. He's saying that people will work to cheat systems with no consequences, so imagine how much they'll be driven to cheat ones that do get them tangible benefits.

Ah, right.

Of course, I imagine that the government would probably consider the more messy options when they catch people cheating the system.

Precisely.

Patriotic hackers, mind you.

That is absolutely terrifying. Because it's genius! Horrible, horrible genius!

this is so unfathomably horrible and sinister that i hope to god something prevents it from being a thing.

This is basically a modernized version of Bread and Circuses. If that isn't the scariest shit, I don't know what is.

New Extra History episode about Mary Seacole, a British-Jamaican(Or is it Jamaican-British) Nurse during the Crimea War.

I remember watching a segment about her in Horrible Histories where she complains to a Historian that Florence Nightingale got all of the fame despite the fact Mary did more to help during the War.

I am inclined to say the place of origin comes first and the place of residence second, but I think it's reversed in the British Empire.

Well, she is both. Her traces linages from both Britain and Jamaica, and lived in both places.

Yeah, but was she born in Jamaica and moved to England or vice versa?

She was born on Jamaica and moved into England, but she also moved into many places. She eventually did die in England, though.

But the thing is, someone who is born into the US out of Italian parents, is called an "Italian-American", even if they never set a foot in Italy. Mary Seacole have parents from both Jamaica and Britain, and she lived in both places in multiple times of her life. She was both "Jamaican-British" and "British-Jamaican".

edited 9th Jan '16 2:29:53 PM by Heatth

Ah, I see.

Technically she's half Scottish, if we're going to refer to parts of the UK as components (as we're doing by referring to her moving to England) then it should be done for England and Scotland, not just England.

I referred by both parts and the whole, though? I mentioned she lived in England because that was specifically were she lived (London). But, by definition, that means she lived in Britain, and she is part British, so she is both "Jamaican-British" and "British-Jamaican". I really don't understand where you are getting at.

I mean, I suppose I could say she is Jamaican-English(Jamaican by birth, lived in England) or Scottish-Jamaican(Scottish by birth, lived in Jamaica) but do anyone talk like that? I feel using British is just more natural in that context.

edited 9th Jan '16 6:09:38 PM by Heatth

Sure it seems weird to specify that she moved to England, it's like saying someone moved to Texas if they moved to a city in Texas, sure it's technically correct but normally people would say that they moved either to a specific city or to the country as a whole, specifying a region is kinda weird. Including the region of a country that a person moved to but not the country is kinda weird.

Also it assumes she didn't spend time in bits of the U.K. outside of England, which with her being half Scottish may not be true.

It's more the episode doing it that bothers me a bit, they use English and Britan as if they're interchangeable, when they're not.

edited 9th Jan '16 7:30:37 PM by Silasw

When I moved away from home, I would tell people there that I was moving to Texas, and they would always say, "oh, where in Texas?"

Of course, Texas is over five times the size of England.

Neither the episode nor my glance on Wikipedia indicated she lived anywhere but London, actually. Maybe she visited, sure, but we are talking about where she lived.

As for saying she moved into England. I am not sure why is weird. If I was saying someone moved to New York and then mentioned they lived in US and, thus, are American by residence, it wouldn't be weird.

I know full well England and Britain are not interchangeable. But I was not using them as such. It is precisely why I changed back into 'Britain' when I was talking about her British hereditary. Because I know that, since she is part Scotish, talking about England in that context didn't make sense.

Did you move from outside the US to Texas?

It's not you so much as the episode that I have issue with, but honestly people tend not to use England much at all unless they're mistakenly using England to refer to the entire UK, at least when it comes to an international context.

People don't move to England, they don't live in England, short of moving internally within the UK. Sure they might technically but nobody refers to it as that, if I moved to the Netherlands I'd be moving to the Netherlands, not to Holland (which like England is a region that has serious problems when it comes to dominating the others regions that make up its country).

edited 9th Jan '16 9:07:24 PM by Silasw

No, just a few states northeast.

I know a lot of people use England and Britain interchangeably, but I don't think that was the case here, so I am not quite sure why you were complaining.

Also, I am pretty sure people do say things like "moving to Texas" even if they are moving from outside the US. I am in Brazil, but I do say my cousin moved to New York and my friend do say his sister lives in California. We say that because these places, like Texas and England, are famous enough to be instantaneously recognizable, so everyone knows it is in the US anyway^note we definitively wouldn't just say the state name if it was Minnesota or something. Of course, we also sometimes say they moved to the US, because that is correct also.

edited 9th Jan '16 9:26:25 PM by Heatth

I've heard that unless you're from a place that's famous in its own right, like New York, if you're an American travelling in a place where America isn't popular, you're advised to give your hometown, not your country. But just lying that you're from Canada is also popular. I think if I were in such a situation, I'd say, "Edmonton, Ontario".