Who would win? (Video Game Edition)

From punching range, it's a matter of reactions. The average human reaction time if about 200 milliseconds. I think the biological limit is about 180. Spartan reaction times are about 20 ms to about 5 ms. A boxer's punch moves about 15 miles per hour, or about 0.0067 m/ms. A well-trained human, but an ordinary human nonetheless. In 160 ms, a boxer's fist can move just over one meter. In 160 ms, at punching range, Shepard's either hit with a superhuman punch or has a snapped neck before s/he can react. From farther away though, yeah, Biotic Shep should win.

Once again, the Barrier or Tech Armor powers pretty much render that useless, since it will cancel out any damage, damage the Chief, and knock him to the ground, leaving him wide open to a diamond-hard searing hot omniblade to the face.

Really, many bonus powers give any class an instant win against the Chief. Stasis is the most notable in this regard, but there's also Reave (Chief is completely paralyzed and suspended in the air while the life is drained out of him), Neural Shock (he's immediately paralyzed and knocked to the ground for quite a while), and Barrier (mentioned above).

edited 22nd Jan '13 5:36:21 PM by CPFMfan

Again, it's a matter of reactions. The Chief has about 130 or so ms head start simply by virtue of having faster reaction times. Even Shepard activated those abilities as soon as humanly possible, s/he'd be dead before s/he could.

If we presume those abilities activate the instant Shepard can react, there is a delay of 140 or so ms by virtue of reaction time. The Chief, similarly, has a delay of 20 ms before doing anything because of reaction time. The Chief, in those 100 20 or so ms, has ample time to beat Shepard. If the Chief is not in range, though, then biotic/tech!Shep should win.

edited 22nd Jan '13 5:40:46 PM by MetaSkipper

This is assuming that Shepard is using his most broken skillset available, which makes fights with that skillset rather pointless.

Besides, most Shepards are different in some way. There's more than a broken side to Shepard.

There's no activation with them, Shepard has them on all the time in combat (Tech Armor and Barrier).

Any class with Stasis, or Neural Shock, or Reave, or any decent bonus power is "broken" against the Chief. Adepts are broken for being able to trap targets in Singularities the size of buildings and blow them up, Vanguards are broken for being able to teleport spam, be invincible during said spam, and kill two ton Made of Iron monsters with their megaton punches, and Sentinels are broken on part of their absolute ridiculous durability, especially in the first game. I'd even give Infiltrator, Engineer, and Soldier Shepard good chances; Chief has slightly faster reaction times (Infiltrator and Soldier see the world almost entirely in bullet time), but way worse weapons and armor.

edited 22nd Jan '13 5:41:12 PM by CPFMfan

Aren't those activated abilities?

Well, I guess you can say they are, but I don't know why you're assuming s/he won't go into battle with them already activated, since they never wear off and are armor enhancers. That would be like going into battle without your guns loaded or your shields up just cause. So, for the purposes of common sense, there's no reason that s/he wouldn't always have them up.

edited 22nd Jan '13 5:46:02 PM by CPFMfan

I think we've hit the Flame War point again.

"There is something about the anonymous nature of the Internet that makes people behave in ways that they wouldn't when they're face-to-face with other people. What starts as a minor disagreement like "how to ship two minor characters," or "what constitutes canon or fanon," escalates until the users are insulting each other, flinging expletives and profanities and shouting at the top of their virtual lungs. Inevitably, someone will be compared to Hitler."

No one cursed at someone else or called them Hitler. I simply stated that Chief wouldn't stand a chance and outlined the reasons why, some people disagreed, and I rebutted.

edited 22nd Jan '13 5:45:18 PM by CPFMfan

I think you're like Hitler. Just look at the mustache.

On a more serious note, I don't think Shepard compares to the Chief biologically. There are limits to how good you can get, even with optimal genes. Compared to super-conductive fiber and ceramic? Forget it.

Chief can still be put down by a handful of bullets or a diamond-hard searing hot blade to the face, and Shepard not only has stronger weapons and armor, but many unavoidable attacks that completely paralyze him and leave him a sitting duck.

edited 22nd Jan '13 5:48:25 PM by CPFMfan

Is Shepard capable of using his biotic abilities on absolutely every foe in his games?

In the first game, yes, including 1 ton Made of Iron aliens and light tanks. In later games, only certain biotic abilities can ignore shields exclusive to the ME verse, and really heavy things like Spider Tanks and gigantic sand worms the size of skyscrapers get immunity (but they still work on anything else they hit, including said 1 ton aliens). Though that seems to be Gameplay and Story Segregation, as biotics do not have these limitations in cutscenes.

edited 22nd Jan '13 5:52:21 PM by CPFMfan

Armor I can't agree with. Titanium is stronger (that is to say, better at absorbing shock stress) than ceramic.

edited 22nd Jan '13 5:52:00 PM by MetaSkipper

I was talking more about shields. Shepard's shields are way stronger than the Chief's, even without powers that specifically boost them.

How are we supposed to measure the amount of damage their shields can take?

You can't really, but generally in the ME games Shepard is more of a damage sponge than the Chief is in his games, able to take multiple rockets before his shields come down whereas the Chief can't take one. There's no definitive canon statement on how strong they are.

Not like any of this matters, as any decently leveled biotic power is basically instant victory, especially the ones that are available to every class.

edited 22nd Jan '13 5:56:32 PM by CPFMfan

What if the Shepard who fights the Chief doesn't have those broken powers?

There's a 95% chance that s/he'll have at least one, be it Singularity, Stasis, Charge, Neural Shock, Lift, Reave, et cetera. But assuming s/he doesn't? Then that just leaves Infiltrator, Soldier, and Engineer Shepard without one of those as their bonus powers (again, unlikely). Infiltrator Shepard is entirely situational; if he gets the drop on the Chief with his anti-materiel rifle and invisibility, he takes him out in one hit. If he doesn't and is forced into a straight fight, the Chief... maybe wins. His reflexes are better but his shields and weapons are far inferior. Same goes with the Soldier (who weapons aside is basically just like the Chief except physically slower and weaker) and even the Engineer. There's also the question of how much tech attacks affect Halo tech.

edited 22nd Jan '13 6:12:42 PM by CPFMfan

I don't remember Shepard being able to take multiple rockets.

With any high level suit of armor (which provide the shields) in the first game and just any suit of armor period in the second and third games. Though if we're taking the first game as representative Shepard is pretty much invincible due to Immunity.

The Chief is fucked. He really doesn't have counter to Shepard's biotics and most of his tech powers, and without those Shepard is just more durable and powerful in general due to his better equipment, even if the Chief is, according to the novels, much physically stronger.

edited 23rd Jan '13 6:26:40 PM by CPFMfan

On the subject of Tech powers (specifically, anti-shields/weapons/armor/etc. powers), I don't hitnk they would work on the virtue of being based on diffferent kinds of technlogy. Shields don't work the same way, Halo guns aren't affect by EM Ps or the like, etc.

edited 22nd Jan '13 6:36:48 PM by MetaSkipper

okay. four things. first hito-shura did not exactly destroyed entire universes, he just killed kagutsuchi, which in turn caused the end of the world.

second: you people are assuming the TDE ending is canon here.

three :he needed the help of his demons.

and fouth:i put hitoshura versus three different versions of Superman here, and while i understand hito defeating TAS Superman and Golden age Superman, i doubt he would defeat All-Star Superman or (even worse) Silver Age Superman.

Raidou Kuzunoha the 14Th vs Tatsuya Suo

edited 23rd Jan '13 3:23:42 AM by SaintDeltora

I don't know either of those characters...

Every single Spartan vs a single upgraded Blood Raven Terminator squad (IIRC that's two marines with stormbolters and one with an assault cannon + cyclonic missiles)

Does a single one of the Astartes sustain an injury?

1)Hito has defeated beings capable of such feats. Hell some of the higher level SMT mooks are capable of that level of Destruction.

2)Even without TDE he's still capable of defeating Metatron who is a piece of YHVH

3)Most of the cutscenes show Hito alone, And even then so what if he does need their help. He can summon them to him at will.

4)Based on what?

And Raidou. Considering he took hits from Lucifer, and managed to hurt him.

edited 23rd Jan '13 9:43:59 AM by StrawberrytheSecond