Martial Arts Thread

Oh man, my wrestling coach loves saying that. It's true, though. XD

It's mostly for the jump spins. If you jump up backwards, you're gonna fall out of range and stumble. Jump straight up, then straight down.

It's mostly for kicking though. If you're leaning back, I just need to push us over.

Nada.

Anyone know the name of the shoulder attack normally associated with ficitional Baji Quan practitioners?

A question that you all asked yourself about at least once and discussed, probably.

What is the best martial art?

In terms of martial art themselves, truly there is no such thing as the best martial art, only best martial artists.

I like to think that boxing is the best martial art. It's not because it by itself is the best; it's great, but I'm pretty darn sure there are many other martial arts that boxing has...problems against.

I think it's the best simpy because 1) it's really accessible. You can find one in pretty much any developed town and tuition is relatively cheap compared to other martial arts. 2) it has strong infrastructure; I don't think there is any other martial arts with as many practioners and long history of scientific study. 3) The way it's trained is (relatively speaking) pretty grounded on reality.

But really, it's mostly 1 that I think that makes boxing such as great martial art.

Although I disagree with the notion that there is a best martial art, I have to agree with that. Boxing is a very convenient fighting system.

Any well-rounded grappling system will do you a lot of good, as well. Brazilian jiu-jitsu has a heavily ramped up reputation right now, but anything that gets you comfortable with the fundamentals of grabbing people and defending against grabs and throws can go a long way in one's training, regardless of their particular goals.

But yes. Boxing is where I'd go if I needed something quick, effective and inexpensive to learn. Boxing is a prolific activity, so it's not hard to find someone who can teach you.

Yeah, poor choice of word there: "the most convenient and efficient martial art" would have been more appropriate.

Question: Are butterfly swords at all effective?

Define effective. Killing? Maiming? Joint destruction? Ligament slicing?

Do not kiss Heath Herring.◊

Really though, that would be a bad idea for anyone.

There is a big martial arts conference in town soon They are holding seminars and other events while they are in town.

Secretive, super deadly martial arts...god knows how frequent those were in martial arts movies and anime only a couple of decades ago.

You know. When I hear secretive martial art, I hear "untested" martial art. How the hell are you going to be an effective martial artist without shitloads of sparring and competing with other, well established martial arts, exactly?

And sometimes those martial arts are said to be deadly, its arsenal including attacks to the vital areas and whatnots.

Well, good luck trying out your eyepokes or nutshots to people who spent years and hundreds of times of sparring, training against punches to the face or lowkicks.

People trained to kill and people trained to compete are quite different in approach. Otherwise I agree with you.

"Training to kill", realistically, means training to stab some one when they're not looking or shooting them in the head or slipping some poison in their food.

"Training to kill", from a martial arts standpoint, has the realistic part, wherein you know that if you have a rear-naked choke on someone, and you continue to apply that choke, they will die. Alternately, if you get a good hit on someone, that will stagger them that you can then pick up a rock or something and bash their head in, so you train to knock people out. Alternately, you know that getting stabbed in the heart will kill someone, so you train to land good stabbing hits with practice weapons that simulate the real thing as much as possible.

The unrealistic part is the belief that you can pantomime the motions in the air, and then when the time comes, of course you will be able to pull off that throat jab that your hypothetical western boxer opponent will of course be unprepared for because boxing is just a sport, not a real martial art, and thus has no defense for a hand technique coming to the upper area. Or the notion that there's a spot on the human body you can hit that will result in instant death (never mind the questions of how that spot was discovered, how many people the discoverer of the technique had to have killed and failed to kill to figure it out, and why people aren't falling over dead from hitting that part accidentally).

That is the problem with the so-called "you train for a sport I train to kill" - chances are, if you're talking about martial arts (in the general colloquial use to mean "unarmed methods of defeating dudes, melee weapons optional", so shooting guns don't count), you don't actually train to kill, you just pretend you do.

I don't want to look down on sport forms. It's not that they're intrinsically inferior, just that they don't tell the whole story of the art. Judo contains components of jujitsu; sport fencing has elements of historical rapier/smallsword/sabre. It's just that the techniques aren't applied in the same way or the same context and there aren't as many techniques taught in the sportive versions of the arts.

edited 17th Sep '15 2:33:27 PM by TomoeMichieru

Pretty much my point.

Besides, imagine what would happen if MMA fighters or boxers are allowed/forced to fight without the usual rules restricting them. You think they don't fight dirty because they are not capable of doing so? Your kidneys and spine will not be safe.

In another topic, I watched The Raid movies, both of them.

Holy balltastic, they were hardcore as hell. I wish Hollywood came up with something like that.

The fights in those movies make the fights in Captain America Winter Soldier look pretty much mediocre. XD

edited 17th Sep '15 3:04:24 PM by dRoy

I agree with this.

Martial arts is about beating up and how avoid getting beat up? I wonder what all those technical terms for most of the striking and grappling etc techniques are? And they got their names?

Anybody got any mid-match calming techniques? I have problems with anxiety.

Hello. I'm trying to write a scene for a story and had some questions about fighting technique.

It's a common depiction, someone fighting someone else, one person striking their opponent in the back of the knee/ankle/thigh, to get them off balance.

In the scene I'm writing, I have a young woman who started to take self-defense courses but didn't finish, and in the middle of an attack by an older, heavier man, is trying to pull things from memory. I have her recall that striking the back of the leg is important, though she doesn't remember if it's the leg or another limb, and isn't sure if she can knock him completely off balance - she tries this earlier int he scene, the man is so heavy set it doesn't seem to affect him.

She gets away from him briefly, but then he charges at her with a weapon drawn. For story purposes, she doesn't simply want to go the flight option, so I want her to knock him off balance.

But I don't want her to try and kick him. She's a lightweight, he's drunk, he's heavy, and he has a weapon - she tried kicking him before and it didn't work, so were one to attempt this again, they'd try to put more force in the strike, right?

While it's not practical for everyday use, if you were desperate, would you try to barrel your entire weight at their legs. The attacker is bigger than you, taller than you, their center of gravity's different. Say if you just dropped, tried to roll through them, barreled at them. You'd stand a slightly better chance at sending them face-first into the pavement, but you'd also risk having your neck/chest stomped on when they fell. Could you barrel-roll at them hard enough to avoid this?

Or would it just be simpler and more sensible to have a character try and trip said opponent normally.

For some reason I've always wanted to try and trip someone by barrel-rolling into their legs.

Given the information you've provided, probably not. It's not impossible, especially given his state of inebriation, but it's not likely due to her insufficient training and his greater size. As you've already noted, he is heavier and has a higher center of gravity, thus making him more vulnerable to being knocked off balance.

In my personal experience, trying to leg sweep a large opponent or attempting to body dive them to throw them off their feet is ill-advised, especially if you lack the upper body strength to recover from the attempt quickly.

In Kyokushin karate, there is a technique called do mawashi kaiten geri that might work for the female character if she has the proper distancing, timing and momentum needed to deliver a blow to his head, but I'd personally caution against it. If you need it for the story, just throw it in for dramatic effect and don't worry about it. It doesn't have to be 100 percent realistic, and like I said, it can be done.

This video has some good examples of do mawashi. Notice the ones that miss their target in competition. Ground fighting is not allowed in Kyokushin tournaments, so you want to remember that it's an extremely risky technique for self-defense. Any full-body maneuvers meant to incapacitate the opponent are generally mixed with a combination of punches and kicks from the opponent's weaker side.

edited 23rd Sep '15 8:45:09 PM by Aprilla

5 Realities of MMA Fighting, by Cracked.

Nothing too surprising to me, at least.

Martial arts is about beating up and how avoid getting beat up? I wonder what all those technical terms for most of the striking and grappling etc techniques are? And they got their names?

Lyoto Machida: The Forgotten Front Kick

That was very interesting to watch. That also looked rather painful on the receiving end.

Karate By Jesse - Why I Stopped Practicing My Karate Style (Maybe YOU Should Too?)

The Fight City - Guillermo Rigondeaux: The Way of the Jackal

edited 11th Oct '15 3:16:29 PM by Aprilla